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Subject: Re: Aiki Ju-jutsu Author: Liam Graham [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 01:00:43 06/01/04 Tue In reply to: Corey Minatani 's message, "Re: Aiki Ju-jutsu" on 12:50:47 05/31/04 Mon Hi, Corey Sensei, Thanks for the detailed replies! I still don't get a sense of what led to Takeda Sensei adding 'aiki' to the name of his art. You said: "So to your question that aiki slapped in front describes the methodology is slightly misleading. " I don't quite get what you're saying here: you're saying my question was misleading? I may not have worded my inquiry very well: I'm just wondering what were the factors that led Takeda to change the name of his family art ... did the name change parallel an evolution in the art? And what were the differences between the art 'before' and 'after'? Or, alternately, did he always practice aiki, but just chose at some point to add aiki to the title of the art? Thanks for the points about Takeda's Kenjutsu versus Ueshiba's spear! Very cool, and I plan on doing some follow-up research on that. Speaking of weapons, I do know that Shihonage finally made sense to me when Sensei demonstrated it as sword cuts ... seems that a lot of the art can be referenced via weapons ... Regarding the quote, and the issue of pain determining whether something is aikido or aiki jujutsu: that was not my intended point. It's not pain, but the concern for the well-being of the attacker. Aikido can definitely hurt! Obviously, in a training situation, we as nage do not want to excessively abuse our uke, but in real life, aikido maintains that the well-being of a truly criminal attacker is a central concern. From what I understand, that is a difference when compared to styles such as Daito Ryu, which would not have the same 'harmonious concern' for the attacker. Is this on the right track, or have I missed the boat? Thank you very much for the information about the various Jujutsu styles and their characteristics. It helps me place them in context, after seeing the names but not really understanding the subtleties of their differences. Finally, thanks very much for the following synopsis, as it describes exactly what I have hoped for in Aiki Jujutsu: "Aikijutsu teaches the techniques as a whole, the individual, not the style, will dictate when and what technique to use at a particular time." That ties things in nicely for me, and really brings it into the Natural Spirit realm. I love the thought of having access to the whole of the techniques, and being able to develop as an individual, capable of and responsible for choosing a path. Thank you very much for the dialog! Respectfully, Liam [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Aiki Ju-jutsu Author: Gan Uesli Starling [Edit] Date Posted: 14:07:08 07/18/04 Sun Here in Kalamazoo a long time ago I had used to take Hakko Ryu Jujutsu under Sensei Hrenovich. Sadly I had to give it up after little more than a year due both wrists being sprained all the time such that I could not lift a cup of coffee except two-handed, and that was distractingly painful. In short, it interfered with my livelihood. Several years passed. Then I took Moo Duk Kwan for again just over a year until a couple of ribs got broken, likewise interfering with work just at the time when I was making a change-of-career. Several years more did pass. Happily, now for a year I have been taking Seibukan Jujutsu at the West Michigan Budokan. But classes were only once a week. Not enough to satisfy. So in addition I only just recently started studying Ninjutsu in tandem at this same academy. The classes are back-to-back on Saturdays with extra days for Ninjutsu during the week. Seibukan, alas, has failed to attract very many students. Therefor Shidoshi Robert Bessler now is steering our curriculum toward "Takeda-ha Enshin Ryu Aiki-no-Jutsu". So this latter and Ninjutsu are my current persuits. All this I give by way of personal introduction so that you may plumb the depths of my ignorance and not reply above my level of foreknowledge and understanding. My question is: Can anyone please address the subject of "Takeda-ha Enshin Ryu Aiki-no-Jutsu" and how it relates historically, metaphysically, et cetera to the other arts? With all due respect to my own sensei, I often find it illuminating to gather sources from far and wide. If nothing else it helps me to better know which questions I had ought to ask. And among the very, very few sites which GOOGLE turned up under the keyword 'aiki no jutsu', this site looked to be the most serious and informative. I thank you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Aiki Ju-jutsu Author: Gan Uesli Starling [Edit] Date Posted: 19:03:58 12/31/06 Sun I never was able to validate any references to this "Takeda-ha Enshin Ryu Aiki-no-jutsu" by means of the Internet or any other source. Those few sources who saw fit to comment on my inquiry about its legitimacy expressed strong incredulity, however. Although the cirricula seemed genuine enough while I was taking it, Mr. Bessler's extreme animosity to my also taking Tae Kwon Do (a continuing interest of mine since 1973) plus a few other factors about his teaching style combined to persuaded me to give it up. I would still be interested to learn of this, apparently otherwise un-heard of style "Takeda-ha Aiki-no-jutsu" or of its GM "Kenshinsai Machida". Feel free to contact me via email with any info. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]