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Subject: Re: Aiki Ju-jutsu Author: Corey Minatani [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 00:00:44 06/10/04 Thu In reply to: Liam Graham 's message, "Aiki Ju-jutsu" on 11:10:05 05/25/04 Tue Liam: Sorry for missing the response. You were not correct, per se, but most individuals tend to use aiki too commonly. If we were to take the romanji translations aikijujutsu and aikido, as far as techniques would go, would be the same. If you go back to what I was saying about -do arts, they are a more modern version of a -jutsu system. The modern versions add ethics, aesthetics, and tie into modern law. This is in contrast to -jutsu systems that did not take that stuff into consideration, because most -jutsu systems are considered tools for war, back then, no Geneva convention rules of engagement. Coursely, one could equate Aiki-jujutsu and aikido to the likes of hand-to-hand combat in the ARMY and hand-t0-hand made for the civillian sector. For the latter, you have to incorporate societal functions into the equation where restraint and compassion might come into play. So the guy who attacks the civilian might be wanting to kick ass, kill you, rob you, rape you, might be a relative, or any combination of such. On the battlefield, and of battlefield arts, the guy is trying to kill you, so the variables are simpler and more direct. This is not to suggest that aikido is not as good as aikijujutsu or vice versa. It just means they were designed with different parameters in mind. Kinda like tools, a hammer is good for one thing, and wrench is good for something else. We, as scholars, shouldn't compare apples to oranges, but understanding the context of each art is very helpful. Corey Minatani [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Aiki Ju-jutsu Author: Corey Minatani [Edit] Date Posted: 00:15:46 06/10/04 Thu Liam: The harmonious concern is central to aikido, that is because it is a -do art, not a -jutsu. -do arts add in harmonious concern. Aikijujutsu can have that, its just up to the defender, aikijujutsu makes no claims nor does it demand the level of force to be used, it understands each person is different and will use their aiki in whatever way or the situation presents itself. In short, aikido's concern is for both nage (defender, or tori (in aikijujutsu)) and uke (receiver, or uke (in aikijujutsu)). The uke thing for aikijujutsu was a joke... Aikijujutsu's main concern is for the defender only. IF the aikijujutsuka decides to show mercy, that is up to her. But in either case, the aiki- prefix should denote the way the technique is executed, in that sense, both arts will use the path of least resistance and highest efficiency in that regard. I would argue that aiki- prefix is sometimes confused due to so many translations of aiki into harmonious, blend might be better. We get the same thing in jujutsu, the ju- prefix sometimes translated as soft, which might be better off called pliable or flexible, but flexible in the sense that they can respond to almost anything, not the description of the technique. If you watch jujutsu guys, they break stuff and slam people, hardly soft or pliable techniques!! As to the question of why Daito changed from aikijujutsu, aikijutsu, or jujutsu is probably just on a whim. Some Daito people classify techniques as aiki no jutsu, aikijujutsu, and jujutsu type of techniques. Jujutsu being basic, but easily learned and aiki no jutsu being very esoteric and having few real applications, but containing really cool ideas, and aikijutsu in the middle working a bit of both. Many jujutsu historians note that aikijutsu is just another jujutsu style, nothing more. They may have tacked on aiki, to differentiate themselves from the Jigoro Kano monopoly on jujutsu systems being absorbed into forming judo. No one knows, and Sokaku never told anyone. If we had time to cross reference many of the surviving jujutsu systems, I bet we would find many of the techniques in Daito, based in other ryu of jujutsu styles. Corey Minatani [ Post a Reply to This Message ]