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>>Well, I guess I'll take on the role of grammar police >>then ;) >> >>>(1) "Tá grá agam" literally means "Love is at me." >>>Something tells me this isn't quite right because "tá >>>grá agam dhuit" which means love is at me for you >>>suggests active rather than passive voice. >> >>True indeed - tá grá agam would rather mean "I >>love..." and would sound incomplete... > > > >> >>>(2) "Gráitear" is the present autonomous Irish which >>>corresponds to the English passive voice. It means >>>"is loved" or "are loved" or "am loved" depending on >>>the person, he, she, it, you. we. etc. My problem is >>>that I don't know how to indicate the first person >>>singular. Let's say: >>> >>>"Gráitear mé" and wait for the 'authorities'; that >is, >>>the grammar police to come after us. >> >>Gráitear mé is grammatically correct. But the >>autonomous form doesn't correspond exactly to the >>English passive voice here, it's more like when the >>French say "on" (on m'aime sounds a bit odd) or the >>Germanic/Scandinavian "man" (man liebt mich/man elsker >>mig/etc. also sounds odd)... >>It's sort of a way of saying that the action described >>(loving in this case) is being done by everyone, but >>not anyone in particular - almost like using "one" in >>English... saying "One loves me" sounds not only >>strange but also quite arrogant. >> >>I must admit I'm not quite sure how to express the >>same idea as is conveyed in the English phrase "I am >>loved" either... but I would suggest either "Táthar do >>mo ghrá", although that also sounds a bit arrogant, >>since it still involves the passive voice... >> >>I think the best thing to do would be to completely >>rephrase the whole thing and say something like "Tá >>(na) daoine ann a bhfuil grá acu dom", literally >>meaning There are people that love me... It kind of >>ruins the simplicity and poignancy (is that a word?) >>of 'I am loved', but I fear it might just be the only >>way... > >Oisín, A Chara, A Charaíde, agus A Gharda, > >Yep, "poinancy" is a word. Has it's roots, along with >the word "point" (sharp end of something)in the days >of Chaucer when half the language seemed to be French. > I think the root is "poindre," to prick. >Poinancy would be that quality that causes something >to be keenly felt. > >Stop! > >I recall a popular, American song of the 1940's >entitled "Somebody Loves Me." I think this phrase may >come close to capturing the spirit of "I am loved" >sans conceit or arrogance. > >Tá grá ag duine éigin domh. ????? > >Beannacht, >P.
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