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Subject: Squatters on Jiwaka land GET THEM OUTTA THERE!!!


Author:
ENUF IS ENUF IS ENUF IS ENUF
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Date Posted: 17:13:24 03/10/03 Mon

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Monday 10th March, 2003




Beware of squatters in Jiwaka

THIS important message must reach the elites and leaders of Jiwaka, meaning Jimi, Waghis and Kambia people.
There is a very serious domestic immigration problem that is uncontrollable and it’s consuming a lot of problems.
I am reminding my people in general to focus on illegal squatters who settle on State or customary land.
Squatter settlements are a problem and as soon as one is about to be established, the people involved should be immediately confronted and discouraged in the strongest terms.

There are greater social risks involved with squatter settlement. If Jiwaka leaders and elites have noticed then would have known that sexually transmitted diseases are on the increase, including cases of HIV/AIDS, abduction, crimes against our mothers and sisters, prostitution, break and enter and drugs are being peddled to earn a living on a daily basis.

I have come to note that there is a settlement sprouting along the Wara Kar riverbank leading to Fatima Catholic Mission. How about those squatters, and how long will they live there?

Let’s deal with this development before we have land problems on our hands.


Mathew Ding
Konedobu

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[> Subject: Don't blame everything on the settlers!


Author:
jiwakan
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Date Posted: 17:35:40 03/10/03 Mon

Is it being implied, amoungst other things, that Aids is spreading in jiwaka because the settlers brought it in? All the stuff mentioned in that statement are already a problem for jiwaka caused by jiwakans themselves as well. Not just the settlers are trouble makers. In most cases, jiwakans themselves cause these problems for the settlers by causing crimes against their women, or disrupting their businesses by break and enter all because they think that they are the "mal dam" and these settlers can't do anything about it.
[> [> Subject: Biased at its best!


Author:
Plantation Boy!
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Date Posted: 20:11:14 03/17/03 Mon

I read with great interest your postings regarding squatter settlements in Jiwaka and its social impediments asociated.
While I may not totally agree with the view that ALL social immoralities and problems emerged out from settlements,neighter do I professed that settlements are clean.We may have witnessed or may have heard that criminal elements use settlements as their hideouts or breeding grounds but there are also criminals amongst the community.We may point fingers at the settlements that they live a promiscous live which could likely lead to contraction of sexual transmitted diseases including HIV/AIDS.But promiscouity has been around PNG including Jiwaka and no one could deny that.

While we try to make a spectre of this issue as the social enigma of what we are facing now,the relatively high number of AIDS related deads in Jiwaka,the widespread abuse of drugs,homebrews or steam,land scarsity,increase in domestic violence,growing unemplyment of drop-outs to name a few,should not be a shadow of the real issue.

The truth is and I know it won't go down well for some of you,is that The Jiwakans are the problems themselves. It won't take a rocket scientist to research and proof that>We all know!

As educated elites we should sound as part of the solution.Put up constructive ideas here on this forum that can be seen as part of the solution instead of making very shallow remarks that does not lead no way.

Thank you!
Kopi Pika--4-line mangi.


[> Subject: Re: In one way its true


Author:
Whagi Albanz
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Date Posted: 18:06:17 03/10/03 Mon

Every clan, tribe, society or region has it's own problems. I am not trying to say that Jiwaka is a safe haven, there has already been problems there, but here I see that when one is trying to bring up factors that cause these problems, someone else sees it as there is always one wrong element in how the message is conveyed. Please let's not criticise the views of one person in a way that puts off some real meanings that lie beneath what he or she is trying to say.
In the case of domestic immigration in Jiwaka, I would say that although there has been problems created by Jiwakan's themselves, those immigrants do have a part in it.
One time I was sitting with a prominent figure in Mt Hagen and all of WHP, and he sadly admitted that he notices a rapid regional immigration and mentioned some of the things that he'd seen through his time.
Not that I was convicted by him but I strongly believe that immigration within our own region poses a threat to the local rightful land owners. You can be easily get forced out of your land gradually as more numbers come into your land and if you try to intervene, you get knocked over or threatened in your own land , and this is now happening everywhere in PNG. And not to mention the over crowding problem.
This is not the scary bit but there is more if you think about it. So, what we should do is keep other people out as much as we can and try to solve the problems that we already have rather then creating more and bringing people in.
Embe eri ende min bu numan ah wom mal nind kondo...
Ende pisa mal ninambe kandpe...

Albanz
[> [> Subject: BEST WAY TO BRING IN IMMIGRANTS IS TO MARRY SOMEONE OUTSIDE JIWAKA


Author:
COLD BLOOD
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Date Posted: 11:10:55 03/14/03 Fri

If we are to start pointing fingers on the principal culprits, let's start with those who marry non Jiwakans.

Whoever reads this posting: Are YOU in that group?

Are YOU going to bring that person to live on Jiwaka land?

If you're not part of the solution, that automatically makes you part of the problem.

Cheers.

[> Subject: Are they Squatters?......


Author:
Terminator
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Date Posted: 17:27:56 03/11/03 Tue

In light of the issue of squatter settlement in Jiwaka raised by Mathew Ding on the PC, I am provoked to enlist my opinion for your deliberation.
Firstly I was abit suprised when I learnt from these comment that there are SQUATTER SETTLEMENTS in our area.If this claim is true then they have to be evicted asap.The earlier,the better!In saying that,I am not trying to paint a picture here that ALL settlemts are 'evil'.But by definition Squatters settlement is illegal and as Jiwakans we can not sit and allow "aliens" to possess our land without our consent as customary landowners or the government for that matter!They have no right to claim any land at all.

Secondly,if the "aliens" are genuine "aliens" meaning they settle on the land with the 'NOD' of approval from the rightful custodians of the land, then you and I have no right to brand them as Squatters and stop them from pouring in.

Because Our land laws protect our landowners from dealing in land without Ministerial approval.This give customary landowners the right to 'play' around their land which IS A CONCERN to me having seen lands being cheaply disposed and acquired which in turn attract an infux of immigrants which we may mistaken them for squatters.(If I am wrong,pls correct me!).

And if this trend continues,(where we see land being sold like hot cakes filling in the pockets of lazy slugs who empty their pockets on queen-queen or become one-day millionaires at Kunai shoutim ol 4-kopis.)it will be very difficult to get rid of them if thereis problem.Especially once they have established themselves.

The only way we can stop immigrants on our land is to STOP THE LOCALS FROM SELLING OR GIVING AWAY THEIR LANDS to outsiders.

Otherwise we will be marginalised in our own land and whom should we blame? OURSELVES!!
As this issue is paramount,we act now or never!

Em bu numan blo.mi tasol!
Cheers!
[> [> Subject: Re: Are they Squatters?......


Author:
Victim of the named area
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Date Posted: 20:51:24 03/17/03 Mon

Hi all,

Who is Mathew Ding??????

Are these people along the warakar river actually squatters or are they labourers of the plantation????

Guys try to get your facts right? Otherwise you might chase the valuable hands who are there to develop you area.

If Mathew Ding is from that end, he should fully investigate the matter fully before putting up in public opinion such as the P. Courier because he should know how important labourers are in his area as without them his place would not develop. HE SHOULD DIFFERENTIATE CLEARLY WHAT A SQUATTER SETTLEMENT IS AND WHAT A PLANTATION COMPUND FOR LABOURERS IS.

THANKZ

VICTIM
[> [> Subject: Re: Are they Squatters?......


Author:
241
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Date Posted: 15:49:36 03/18/03 Tue

I think the main issue here is the increase in population,the land scarcity (a frightening thought to some),unemployment,social problems such as drug abuse,HIV/AIDS epidemic,tribal or clanship conflict,etc.

We are no different and we are not immune from these problems which are also faced in other parts of PNG, mainly triggered by the economic turmoil our country is going through.But in saying that neighter are we powerless to tackle these issues.
These problems need a combine effort from all Jiwakans,business sectors and the government to solve.We can not leave it for one party to solve.

With the issue of squatter settlement in Jiwaka,we should not jump on conclusion by labelling immigrants as squatters,discriminating and labelling them with anti-social stigma which is totally unacceptable!

The fact is THERE IS NO SQUATTER SETTLEMENT IN JIWAKA!

People from outside possess land with the approval and the reconition of the genuine landowners,eihter the plantation,state or locals.

You will hardly see a local doing manual jobs such as picking coffee or tea in the plantations.While they pretend to be owners and landowners of the platation expecting things from the golden plate,the real hardworking people under your tea and coffe tree making it ever green for your "Big name tasol" are these immigrants which you throw mud and slug on them.

They deserve total respect,praise and recognition from us the Jiwakans.

Bai mi tok more tasol time finish.
cheers!


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