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Subject: Re: TAURA KING'S RESEARCH AND TVVET UPDATE

Author: Marilyn Oliver

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 09:01:28 09/03/06 Sun In reply to: Marilyn Oliver 's message, "Re: TAURA KING'S RESEARCH AND TVVET UPDATE" on 08:46:08 09/03/06 Sun Important Information/Combat Zone 1992 Navy & Marine Corps awards, added Thailand Hi to everyone, This will be an extra long e-mail. Please read!!!!! Attention: The e-mail at the very bottom of my comments and has very important information for you. Put it with your claims and important papers. This document identifies combat zones during the Vietnam Conflict. Thailand is listed in the combat zone, as is Cambodia. Note where the girls got this document from Navy Department Library Naval Historical Center Taura called me today from work and we had the following conversation. Taura is not trying to mislead you. She understands the Blue Water Navy decision (M-21-1. She also knows there is still allot of work to be done, on the Thailand issues, such as proving exposure. She makes clear that the window of opportunity is now yours. She also makes clear that the M21-1 issue sites--neighboring countries-- She said " where would one consider a neighboring country with regard to Vietnam, Australia--right I don't think so" we laughed. This is why the National Veterans organizations and the (NVLSP) National Veterans Legal Service Program, attorneys, are saying to get your claims in so YOUR voice can be heard, so this issue can be determined. At this point, it is agreed, we don't know what the VA, will do, Taura said, “There is talk and we all would be naive to think VA won't take action of some kind.” Taura wants me to assure you, that the fight will go on. She and all others can't say it enough-- take advantage of the opportunity and get your claims in. The National Veterans organizations, have sent out training letter's, to their VSO'S instructing them to start addressing TLC veterans claims. If your VSO has not received one of these, they can personally contact Taura. She has been asked not to release the training letter to the general public but has been given permission to release it to VSO's. They do have to show her proof, that they are, who they say they are. Their e-mail addy, has to list, their organization. They must also give her, their telephone number, and fax # for confirmation and delivery. Contact Taura at: <tdk4vets@cwnet.com>, “You must be the one in control of your destiny, so do your home work and organize your claim---address ALL of your medical issue to include any secondary conditions.” Some will do everything in their power to discourage you. Screen the VSO you are dealing with and know if you have a representative working on your behalf. It is your right, as a veteran to file a claim. This is not the same as the Mean's test. Claims are separate issues. Now a message from me! I have been telling you all along, that we have to remain united and work towards getting the TLC issues resolved. You know the truth and all that took place there and the truth will prevail. Like I said before, you have to tell your stories. These government agency's, need to hear from you. Send your copies, of the Statement in Support of Claim form to Taura, as soon as you can. Privacy is her up most concern and she will protect it. What is it that she wants from you??? 1) Any of your military documents showing other units having served in your location—this is vital as you know due to the way the law affected Korean Cold War veterans, many were not considered under the law and it has been a huge effort to get additional units added to their list and Taura makes clear that this is what is going to happen to TLC veterans if we aren’t very careful in our approach on this issue—Taura discussed this issue with Congressman Evans office and this is in fact where some are heading with this so we must head this problem off and back our brothers and sisters up with solid documents. Taura has asked that all of you look at your records for anything reflecting this info such as promotion documents, which can tend to reflect you and others that were up for promotion, these documents can tend to list other squadrons. 2) A statement of claim form telling your story and back it up with any documentation you can. Since we first asked you for these about a year ago Taura has only received 5 official statements. She receives your e-mails with your stories but this can not be presented as a legal document and therefore can not be used. The statement of claim form is not something any of you will see on the cd as they have privileged info on them. She has attained permission to sanitize them from some —thereby removing personal info so they can be placed on the cd in order to assist other veterans. 3) Go to other internet sites where they have posted unit info and ask what formal documentation they have relating to units having served in TL or C. Ask if they will release it to you and get it to Taura. Taura King 7956 Snow Drop Ave Redding, CA 96003 Taura, Sue and many others have been working on these issues, for a very long time, way before I came into the picture. One thing I know personally is—these girls are not going away. They are nothing but determined. They are in for the long haul and they will let nothing get in their way. They dig into government files; Taura has long deemed Sue as having a nose like a hound dog which is how she earned her nick name "Hound dog." Taura has been putting it all together, for presentations. There are many others working in the background. Contacts these girls have made with officials and many others, we will never know about because they have an obligation to maintain trust and confidentiality among those working diligently to help the TLC veterans. They are putting their time and energy into this project, for you! They are truly committed to you, the veteran, who has been forgotten. Your time is now! Use it to your benefit! What the VA ends up doing in the future, is irrelevant, at this time. We are being told to tell you, get your claims in and that is what we must do. I can only say that there are people at high levels working with these girls and others that are on your side. They are continuing to work on your behalf, knowing there is still allot of issues to be resolved. Many of you didn't think we stood a chance, of getting anything done, over a year ago. Look how far, we have come, in that time. Yes, many of you still have doubts, but why let this opportunity pass you by? Those that have seen the original cd are amazed at the information on it. The updated cd will be even better. These committee's and people that need to know, will also be getting copies. I have to tell you, if you haven't read the reports on the cd you are missing out on allot of information. If you missed the radio program, with Taura, Wednesday night, you missed her comment, that Agent Blue, was used at all the installations, in Thailand. Along the perimeters, flight-lines and road ways and she has the official documentation and it will be on the updated cd. I am sending the site for the radio program, if you would still like to hear it. http://stream.projectshad.com/nph-stream.cgi?svr082306.mp3.m3u I cannot say this enough, we need to stand united and show a strong front. We all need to participate, whether it is letter writing, calling congressman and senators, or doing whatever we are asked to do, to get this accomplished. If we become divided, we will not be able to hold it together. We have all come together as strangers, fighting for a cause, that we believe to be right. We can't fail now! It is onward and upward, from here on out. You have been in the dark for too long and now there is a stream of sunlight shinning through. Let’s open that window further and really let the sun shine through. UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL. Blessings Marilyn IMPORTANT DOCUMENT FOR THE TLC GROUP--NOTE WHO SENT THIS TO SUE AND TAURA > ----- Original Message ----- > > To: <tdk4vets@cwnet.com> > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 5:08 PM > Subject: Combat Zone 1992 Navy & Marine Corps Awards > added Thailand CBAF58BF70FEDD4699C708C19057102405A7D1A7@naeawnydex16va.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil We don't know the mileage of the combat zone and can't find that information in any of our sources, but some sources mention coordinates of the combat zone. If you have a good map maybe the following information will help. The Navy and Marine Corps Awards Manual (1992) defines the "area of operations" for Vietnam as: Water areas from a point on the east coast of Vietnam at the juncture of Vietnam with China southeastward to 21° N latitude, 108° 15' E longitude; thence southward to 18° N latitude, 108° 15' E longitude; thence southeastward to 17° 30' N latitude, 111° E longitude; thence southward to 11° N latitude, 111° E longitude; then southwestward to 7°N latitude, 105° E longitude, thence westward to 7° N. latitude, 103° E longitude; thence northward to 9° 30' N latitude, 103° E longitude; thence northeastward to 10° 15' N latitude, 104° 27' E longitude; thence northward to a point on the west coast of Vietnam at the juncture of Vietnam with Cambodia. In addition, the area has been extended to include the land mass encompassing Thailand. Best wishes, Navy Department Library Naval Historical Center 805 Kidder Breese St. SE Washington Navy Yard, DC 20374-5060 202-433-4132, fax 202-433-9553 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Author: Marilyn Oliver [Edit]

Date Posted: 09:05:25 09/03/06 Sun Information on Exposure Outside Of Vietnam What If I Was Exposed to an Herbicide Outside Vietnam? Herbicides were used by the U.S. military to defoliate military facilities in the U.S. and in other countries as far back as the 1950s. Even if you did not serve in Vietnam, you can still apply for service-connected benefits if you were exposed to an herbicide while in the military which you believe caused your disease or injury. If you have a disease which is on the list of diseases which VA recognizes as being associated with Agent Orange, the VA requires: a medical diagnosis of a disease which VA recognizes as being associated with Agent Orange (listed below), competent evidence of exposure to a chemical contained in one of the herbicides used in Vietnam (2,4-D; 2,4,5-T and its contaminant TCDD; cacodylic acid; or picloram), and competent medical evidence that the disease began within the deadline for that disease (if any). If you have a disease which is not on the list of diseases which VA recognizes as being associated with Agent Orange, VA requires: competent medical evidence of a current disability; competent evidence of exposure to an herbicide during military service; and competent medical evidence of a nexus (causal relationship) between the herbicide exposure and the current disability. Boots in country and neighboring countries is the issue to me and the platform for which I will take my stand. Note the VA instruction from 2005--go to the web site and copy this and make sure it is on the VERY FRONT of your evidence packet. A lack of consistency is a problem with in the system and all will have to deal with this. So help direct your claim, you need to pull out the laws that apply to and instruction you have attained on their site. VA Laws which apply: Section (1) 3.102 3.304--section e-or d the one titled COMBAT Combat zones M21-1 old law and the 2002 change 3.309--in reference to 3.309 go to US Title/Code 38-1116 and copy what herbicides are approved--Orange, Blue, White, Cs. Napalm, Malathion Section (2) Claim details What conditions are you claiming--dates secondary conditions--medical documentation and so on Section (3) Haas vs Nicholson and make your argument in you letter-- Boot in country Neighboring countries Copy all info you have received from NVLSP, American Legion and so on Combat Zone--which I sent to the group already but it in the cd Section (4) Your military history Then lay out your evidence Your military documents Your buddy statements Any rating decisions Section (5) How you were exposed Enclosed all your evidence and all declassified info--highlight all info that pertains to any location you were in. Section (6) Insert 3.102--again reasonable doubt and restate your contention and quote : benefit of doubt Ask that the prove or disprove that were exposure were or were not encountered in service. Always highlight that which you want to bring attention to--yell highlighter get a dozen you'll need them. YOUR CLAIM # MUST BE ON EVERY PAGE OF EVERY DOCUMENT SO WE HAVE BEEN TOLD AND THE VA MEMO CERTAINLY CONFIRMS THIS taura [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

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Author: Marilyn Oliver [Edit]

Date Posted: 09:18:21 09/03/06 Sun Hi everyone, Taura asked me to post further information. It is quite long and has an attachment. If you would like to read it, please let me know, back channel. Also, the updated Thailand cd, will be coming out soon. It has a wealth of information on it, to help with your claims. Pleas send me your name and address and I will get one out to you, as soon as I receive it. There is no charge to veterans, for this. If I can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate in back channeling me, to ask for help. Blessings Marilyn [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

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Author: Marilyn Oliver [Edit]

Date Posted: 12:01:45 09/03/06 Sun Information For Vietnam Veterans Who Received the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal Going through the NVLSP site, last night. I came across this. I sent it to Taura and this is her response. it is saying that BOTH medals qualify--I still recommend that you file for the VSM but know you can challenge VA if they do not apply either medal and this helps support the info about the medals. Good document and all should have it for their info. http://www.nvlsp.org/Information/ArticleLibrary/AgentOrange/AO-AFEMVietnam-VietnamServiceMedal.htm [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

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Author: Raymond A Brannum [Edit]

Date Posted: 10:11:11 07/23/07 Mon My husband was station at Takhli, Tahiland, 66-67, aircraft maintenance crew chief,(EB66, B57B&C,F101-voodoo) He has diabetes/kidney disease/heart problems. I have a letter stating he wasn't there, and illness cannot be related. He has a meeting at VA/San Diego 7/24/07,his hearing on the above mentioned health challenges, he filed a claim about 2 1/2 years ago still jumping through hoops. Has anymore information come forward regarding service connected illness for those in Thailand/Laos Cambodia. I know a decision of sort came out in Sept.2006 but haven't heard anything. Just located your website this AM, I know it is late notice but anything would help. Mrs. Lynn Brannum>Information For Vietnam Veterans Who Received the >Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal > >Going through the NVLSP site, last night. I came >across this. I sent it to Taura and this is her >response. > >it is saying that BOTH medals qualify--I still >recommend >that you file for the VSM but know you can challenge >VA if they do not apply either medal and this helps >support the info about the medals. Good document >and all should have it for their info. > >http://www.nvlsp.org/Information/ArticleLibrary/AgentOr >ange/AO-AFEMVietnam-VietnamServiceMedal.htm [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

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Author: Raymond Brannum [Edit]

Date Posted: 10:13:59 07/23/07 Mon My husband was station at Takhli, Tahiland, 66-67, aircraft maintenance crew chief,(EB66, B57B&C,F101-voodoo) He has diabetes/kidney disease/heart problems. I have a letter stating he wasn't there, and illness cannot be related. He has a meeting at VA/San Diego 7/24/07,his hearing on the above mentioned health challenges, he filed a claim about 2 1/2 years ago still jumping through hoops. Has anymore information come forward regarding service connected illness for those in Thailand/Laos Cambodia. I know a decision of sort came out in Sept.2006 but haven't heard anything. Just located your website this AM, I know it is late notice but anything would help. Mrs. Lynn Brannum>Information For Vietnam Veterans Who Received the >Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal > >Going through the NVLSP site, last night. I came >across this. I sent it to Taura and this is her >response. > >it is saying that BOTH medals qualify--I still >recommend >that you file for the VSM but know you can challenge >VA if they do not apply either medal and this helps >support the info about the medals. Good document >and all should have it for their info. > >http://www.nvlsp.org/Information/ArticleLibrary/AgentOr >ange/AO-AFEMVietnam-VietnamServiceMedal.htm [ Post a Reply to This Message ]