self-interested evangelism - is it really "of God"? -- Jesus Army Watch Forum

[ Show ]

Support VoyForums

[ Shrink ]

VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

[ Login ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, [10] ]

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: 6/03/09 5:55:51pm
Author: Peter Eveleigh
Subject: self-interested evangelism - is it really "of God"?
In reply to: Tom 's message, "Re: A change is as good as a rest!" on 6/03/09 8:42:05am

I don't accept the premise of your NHS analogy. I regard all the supposed good done by the JA as being self-serving. John Campbell's editing of the section on Jesus Centres concedes quite happily that all the social outreach is intended only as a vehicle for evangelism. Frequently you hear challenged JA evangelists saying, "I am not a social worker".

You might argue that evangelism is necessary. As an atheist, I would obviously disagree. But people who do think evangelism is important object to the fact that JA evangelism serves only JA interests. The JA does not recommend other churches (in fact Tom, you know as well as I do that the JA has contempt for non JA Christians and churches....Noel used to rant about the worldly churches with their woolly, wishy-washy effeminate members etc).

JA evangelism does not exist to bring people to God, primarily. It exists to bring people into committed relationship with the JA, and once poeple are in that relationship, it is very reluctant to let people go - even to other churches.

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:

Re: self-interested evangelism - is it really "of God"? -- Barbara, 6/03/09 6:22:19pm
- healthy talk -- Rina, 6/03/09 8:06:19pm
  - Re: healthy talk -- Peter Eveleigh, 6/03/09 11:12:06pm
Re: self-interested evangelism - is it really "of God"? -- Tom (Evangelism ;)), 8/03/09 7:48:27pm
- exodus -- Peter Eveleigh, 9/03/09 1:25:40pm
  - People come, people go. -- Tom, 9/03/09 6:47:14pm
    - the JA like others to take part in their stuff, less so the other way round -- Peter Eveleigh, 9/03/09 8:18:57pm
      - It's all the same God. -- Tom, 9/03/09 8:38:35pm
        Re: It's all the same God. -- Peter Eveleigh, 9/03/09 8:47:28pm
        Free to choose -- Tom, 9/03/09 8:54:20pm
        Re: Free to choose -- Peter Eveleigh, 9/03/09 9:32:20pm
        Weekend working -- Tom, 9/03/09 10:14:47pm
        Sunday a day of rest -- Peter Eveleigh, 9/03/09 11:19:17pm
        Re: Sunday a day of rest -- Tom, 9/03/09 11:46:32pm
        Re: Sunday a day of rest -- Peter Eveleigh, 10/03/09 7:32:03pm

[ Login ] Create Account Not required to post.
Post a public reply to this message | Go post a new public message
* HTML allowed in marked fields.
Message subject (required):

Name (required):

Expression ^{(Optional mood/title along with your name) Examples: (happy, sad, The Joyful, etc.) help)}

E-mail address (optional):

* Type your message here:
>I don't accept the premise of your NHS analogy. I >regard all the supposed good done by the JA as being >self-serving. John Campbell's editing of the section >on Jesus Centres concedes quite happily that all the >social outreach is intended only as a vehicle for >evangelism. Frequently you hear challenged JA >evangelists saying, "I am not a social worker". > >You might argue that evangelism is necessary. As an >atheist, I would obviously disagree. But people who do >think evangelism is important object to the fact that >JA evangelism serves only JA interests. The JA does >not recommend other churches (in fact Tom, you know as >well as I do that the JA has contempt for non JA >Christians and churches....Noel used to rant about the >worldly churches with their woolly, wishy-washy >effeminate members etc). > >JA evangelism does not exist to bring people to God, >primarily. It exists to bring people into committed >relationship with the JA, and once poeple are in that >relationship, it is very reluctant to let people go - >even to other churches.
Choose Message Icon: [ View Emoticons ]

Notice: Copies of your message may remain on this and other systems on internet. Please be respectful.

Forum timezone: GMT+0
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums^(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.