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Date Posted: 8/08/10 5:48:36pm
Author: Luke
Subject: Re: Truly eye opening comments
In reply to: John 's message, "Re: Truly eye opening comments" on 8/08/10 2:50:59pm

Hi John, great to see a reasonable ja on here.

I have to say though the we have made a lot of mistakes in the past comment is wearing a but thin.

I do not dispute that there are a lot of good people within the ja, but the sex abuse stuff, and the bad outweighs this for me.

I notice you sat you were more of a cult, well John, I had some contact with the ja last year, I went to a mens day and stayed one night in community, was ok, but I was't there long.

Later on, I arranged to stay three nights in community, but I cut my stay short, and seeing violent incidents, being accused of being a paedophile, and an attempted bullying session from a senior member.

I did meet some wonderful people, both then years ago when I was tied up with dog chains and buggered, and on my recent visit, people who are kind, worthy and obviously close to god, but again the violence, the bullying and the accusations outweigh this.

I think the worst bit was where i was told by a senior leader I had bad spirits surrounding me, attracting other bad spirits to attack me, and trying to harm me.

To say this upset me is an understatement and it made me very angry, and has caused me to tell my story and speak out.

The same senior leader then lied about me, sating that when I visited community ten to eleven years ago, I was a drug and alchohol dependant, and still was, I do no accept there have been changes given this experience, I believe its the same ja, repackaged.

This senior leader had my email, my website and phone number, so he could have contacted me at any time to discuss the issues, I have since deleted his contact details.

My friends and family were most upset by the lies, I was a councillor in my community, I run a business, employ people, run a company pension scheme, own three houses, far from a drug addict!!

I am not going to give the name of this person, but I am giving my email address here, in case yo do wish to discuss it, theres been enough names being mentioned lately, but I do want to give you John a chance to put right this stuff.

My point here, is that the ja has not really changed at all, and it is evil what the leader did, I lvoe jesus, am a christian, so to lie is wrong, his day of judgement will be severe, unless he admits his lies.

>> >>href="http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009

>>I suggest if you want to know a lot more about the
>>evil and dark dealings and ways of the ja that you
>>read this, it's horriffic some of it
>Yes agree the jesus army has made lots of mistakes in
>the past and were more of a cult. But things are
>different now most of the fellowship the j.a. Has not
>got all the answers.
>The fellowship in the past were gullible we are not.
>Theres alot of good people in the j.a. Now.

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