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Date Posted: 9/08/10 9:20:59pm
Author: Luke
Subject: Re: Andrew rigsdale r ridsdale
In reply to: Chaplain 's message, "Re: Andrew rigsdale r ridsdale" on 9/08/10 4:17:04pm

Hello chaplain,

yes Andy did say he had stolen two vehicles, on two occasions, I'm not sure about him trashing one, I know the second time Andy went to the ja, they put him in charge of the vehicle pool, so it wasn't surprising, and Andy did say he'd had problems at the farm, I hope what you say is true, and he's doing well.

Your obviously a prison chaplain, so the lads you speak of I assume are prisoners who have had previous contact with the ja.

I think some of those lads are victims as well, bad upbringing, bad areas to live in, failing schools, they needed a chance, a shame the ja couldn't give them that chance.

I think, given the ja record of sexual abuse, other abuse, they are not fit to run anything, let alone a half way house.

The probation service do that kind of thing, and it would be a jolly good idea for there to be Christian half ways
houses, there's a few dotted about, but not nearly enough, only
trouble is, it makes my hair stand on end thinkng of the ja running one, good idea, given the right people, and the right leadership, but the
ja would never pass the crb checks needed, and would create more offenders, they would go in with the usual arrogant manner, not helping people properly, yes a network of Christian half way houses is a good idea, but run by a long established church, with the ja nowhere near it.

>Andrew has left us now, so I can't probe the
>interesting matter of nicknames. He did speak of the
>Jesus Army, but not much. He admitted to two thefts of
>their vehicles, including the trashing of one, and
>felt bad about it. Part of him hoped to be received
>back there as a changed man, but another part of him
>felt the Anglican route was more 'him'. As for
>criminal vicars, it depends what the crime was, how
>long ago, etc. TWOC might not bar you, but fraud and
>theft would, to name but two.
>
>I meet all sorts of lads for whom the JA was simply a
>step too far. They like it, it did them good, they
>speak fairly well of it, but it was too structured and
>had too many expectations for guys who had failed
>almost everybody's expectations in life (parents,
>school, employer, etc). Some of them wished the JA had
>half way houses of some kind, which went at a slower
>pace. Maybe that is something the JA could consider.

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