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Date Posted: 23/06/10 11:33:30am
Author: Tom
Subject: Re: Why?
In reply to: the artist formerly known as anon. 's message, "Re: Why?" on 20/06/10 6:06:12pm

>>My understanding was he'd gone to a vicars house upon
>>being released from prison, but could not settle, and
>>joined the ja, so a referal or self referal from
>>another Christian team.

That seems about right.

>>My understanding was he was quite mercilessly bullied
>>at the farm, and took a vehicle, driving round to sort
>>his head out, and the ja reported the vehicle stolen,
>>Andy had mental health issues at the time.

Can't say I saw the bullying as I didnt live at the Farm at that time. I'm sure it went on but there will always be an element of fractiousness, especially at a place housing 30-40 young lads.

>>When Andy served his sentence for the theft, he came
>>back to the farm, I know for a fact Andy was suicidal
>>in prison.

So, the JA held no grudge and welcomed him back?

>>When Andy got back to the farm, he was bullied again,
>>he had no money, you took his benefits, so he took
>>another vehicle and went to Scotland, buying food off
>>the fuel card, you reported him again, and he went to
>>a Scottish prison, I haven't heard from him since, so
>>he may have committed suicide.

C'mon, what else were the JA expected to so? He stole a car. It's not like you cant get away for a few days or week etc - I used to go see my folks in Scotland more often than I do now. If he needed a break he could have spent some time with friends/relatives?

>>I blame the ja for not helping enough, and you didn't
>>stop him being bullied, he was a confused bullied
>>suicidal young man, and he ran away from you, so
>>hardly the helping organisation you pretend to be ja.

Looks like other Christian organisations couldn't help and the JA tried to help twice but ultimately failed. The community doesn't fit all nor can it help all.

Personally I hope that no harm has come to Andy and that he's doing well in whatever he's up to but to lay blame on the JA seeing that they took him in when others wouldn't is a bit rich. By your own admission Andy had mental health issues before he met the JA.

Whilst I admit that communal living and the intense nature of the JA at times could excaserbate these, the JA were clearly not the cause and did nothing other than to help. I presume you would have suggested just allowing Andy to wander aroung the UK in a stolen car ambling back when he felt like it?

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