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Date Posted: 29/11/08 9:20:11am
Author: Pappa P
Subject: Re: false allegations (even by the back door, by deliberate sleight of hand) is wicked
In reply to: Peter Eveleigh 's message, "false allegations (even by the back door, by deliberate sleight of hand) is wicked" on 28/11/08 6:40:34pm

>>"I don't think Peter is accusing you of lying Barbara"
>>
>>Well I disagree.
>
>I have not accused you of lying. It is not a matter of
>opinion. That is a statement of fact.
>>
>>What's more, he has also accused me of "ganging up" on
>>him. Scroll down, and you'll find that howler sure
>>enough.
>>
>
>I think you misread what I actually said. I said that
>you might receive an invitation from someone else to
>gang up one me. He is someone who is inclined to use
>the word abuse the way you do, without clarification,
>because he likes the fact that people will assume he
>means sexual abuse....and that the JA will therefore
>be unjustly damaged by it.
>
>You can't expect people to swallow a dictionary when
>they are talking on forums. If you are accusing
>someone of abuse, people (almost any and all of them)
>will assume you mean sexual abuse. You know this. So
>doing it anyway opens you up to the sort of response I
>have given you.
>
>I still don't understand why you can say I am bullying
>you, Barbara. I am just arguing with you. If you raise
>yet another accusation against me, am I not supposed
>to respond? For someone who hates conflict, your
>attitude to me is very provocative.
>
>I have managed to hold back for a year or more from
>criticising your tendency to use terms like abuse. If
>I really was a nasty bully, I could have waded in a
>long time ago. Others with whom I have corresponded
>have commented with concern about the allegations you
>make and the language you use, and despite feeling
>strongly about it, I have only now commented on it
>because you allegation was really grave and
>misleading. I have talked about this with you in
>private email in the past, so you were not unaware of
>the impact such language can have.
>
>I work in a profession where teachers are frequently
>accused of abuse of one sort or another, and where
>countless decent, hard-working professionals have had
>their careers blighted by malicious parents and
>children who accuse them of abuse to punish them for
>them having felt slighted, for their child having been
>put in detention etc. I have personally supported
>numerous innocent teachers whose eventual
>reinstatement did not begin to compensate for months,
>or even years of suspension, suspicion, stress and
>misery. One teacher friend will never have the
>confidence to teach again.
>
>Regardless of people's grievances against others,
>making an unfounded allegation is evil, in my opinion.
>So using a word which you know will most likely be
>misinterpreted and deliberately not qualifying the use
>of the word (because of the impact you know it will
>have) is something that makes me very angry indeed.


This is just baloney Barbara as never mentioned anything about being sexually abused or of any sexual abuse in the Jesus Army she used the words abused with reference to spiritual and bullying that is very plain to see from any half intelligent reader. It is very plain that this was in her adult life in the Jesus Army. Stop trying to tell other people how to read and think it so unbecoming and treating the reader as some kind of idiot. This is more to do with your own insecurities and trauma about the fact that allegations where made against you by the Jesus Army. As a obseverer I don't think you have ever moved on from the Jesus Army or the cult mentality. If they did to me what they did to you I would have stayed well away. I find it very strange that you should be beating a path to there door. I find it distasteful the way you are treating Barbara. Stop adding to her already traumatized state. What she says happened happened nobody would spend so much energy and time and lucid recollections on the subject if they were not true and stop believing the Jesus Army's sanitized version of events. I am very aware how they can twist there way out of some of the damage they do.

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