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Date Posted: 26/05/10 9:23:46am
Author: Anon
Subject: Re: History lesson
In reply to: Peter Eveleigh 's message, "Re: History lesson" on 26/05/10 12:46:49am

Just to let you know I'm a believer not that that will prejudice me in anyway during discussions.

I think you're right about legalism being there from the beginning. I spoke to someone who visited when only the hall had been bought and they said they were told off due to the segregation stuff.

I do however believe that the JA was born out of a move of God but then man took over, there is too much availability of control when you all live together and this means that the weak get crushed and oppressed.

The ideals behind the JA are pretty amazing, people living together and sharing everything is brilliant in the theory.

Just an aside I will no longer be replying to the malicious posts on here as I think it ends up just adding fuel to the fire.
Time to just ignore I reckon and carry on with sensible conversations and discussions no matter how opinionated we are we can always agree to disagree.



>>Ok Peter I would like you to tell me your history of
>>JA involvement as briefly as you can.
>>
>>I was young back in the day and so I only remember the
>>late 80's early 90's stuff.
>>
>>I reckon that there was some really good stuff going
>>on along with the other stuff, my perception is that
>>slowly but surely some compromises or other stuff
>>happened which people turned a blind eye to and then
>>the ball started rolling and lots of legalistic stuff
>>came in. What do you reckon?
>
>I should really be in bed, but while my bath is
>running, I will start the ball rolling.
>
>First off, I think legalism was in place before I
>arrived on the scene back in 1981/2, it is just that I
>was so idealistic and passionate that I couldn't yet
>see it.
>
>I was at art college doing a foundation course in
>design and was friends with a fellow christian
>interested in community. He told me that he had met
>some people at Glastonbury and been impressed by them.
>I was intrigued. He gave me their address and I wrote
>and asked if I could visit. I went up to Harvest (a
>house then in Eathorpe, Warwicks) and stayed in the
>lodge with the brothers and fell in love with the
>whole thing.
>
>Until then I had read a great deal about evangelism
>and been impressed by a book about an America street
>evangelism group and had started evangelising in
>Bristol. I started a Christian Union at college and
>had been trying to get a local church to get active,
>but had been told that I was too young and needed to
>go away, grow up and come back when I hads some
>experience of life.
>
>Naturally, being passionate (though I WAS very young
>-18ish-) I wasn't going to be put off....so when the
>New Creation Christian Community said, in effect, join
>us and be an evangelist, I was delighted and felt I
>had found my home.
>
>I was incredibly impressed by the organisation of the
>place and by the way that they had every base covered;
>they had thought of everything. It all worked so well.
>
>And I found people SO warm and open to me. I felt
>then, and have felt ever since, that the fellowship
>attracted a lot of very special and gifted
>people...and even when I left I felt that I was
>leaving people behind who, if they had been allowed to
>leave the fellowship and operate independently, could
>have made a powerful impact on the world. (We can talk
>about this later, but I think that the fellowship's
>need to control people crushed their creativity and
>sucked the life out of people).
>
>I had a baptism of the Holy Spirit experience in that
>first weekend with them, though even at the time I
>have to admit that my euphoria came more from being
>loved and accepted than from a spiritual experience.
>Mick Temperate told me that I was being filled with
>the Spirit. I said I couldn't feel it and he then told
>me to speak in tongues. I felt very British about it
>and couldn't let it happen, so he said I should just
>make it up as I went along and that the Spirit would
>take over. So I mixed school Latin with a bit of
>pretend Arabic inspired by Lawrence of Arabia, and
>though I knew I was a phoney and was a bit worried
>about Mick knowing it too, I did enjoy joining in.
>
>I did worry about that fake baptism of the holy spirit
>thing, especially after Mick made a big deal to the
>brethren about it happening, when he knew it hadn't
>been, but I so badly wanted to fit in that I played
>along. It didn't matter because I was so in love with
>the whole fellowship experience.
>
>That was the very beginnings of sharing in a lie.
>
>bathtime. must go. hope to talk again after work
>tomorrow. Good night.

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