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Date Posted: 4/04/10 5:30:52pm
Author: Peter Eveleigh
Subject: Re: personal responsibility
In reply to: anon 's message, "Re: personal responsibility" on 4/04/10 5:20:16pm

>I don't wish to justify abuse in any form, but I am
>responsible for my kids until they leave home. Agreed,
>there was clearly bad stuff that happened to community
>kids but their parents did allow it to happen and are
>ultimately responsible. sure it is easier to blame it
>on a group rather than a parent but the focus must not
>be allowed to shift away from the people who were
>responsible for the kids. It is often the same in
>schools, where parents make bad decisions for their
>kids and then blame the school when it all goes tits
>up!

I don't think I can totally agree there. Yes, ultimately and certainly legally, parents bare the responsibility for what happens to their kids, but I do know of cases from the past when the church over-ruled a parent, like for instance when an elder corporally punished a child when her single mother refused to do so, back in the days when the church believed in using the rod.

The fact is that though we bare personal responsibility for ourselves and our charges, we lived under a set of rules and values which exerted pressures that people outside the church cannot imagine. In a way, it is a bit like the situation of a battered woman and her children, when her partner is a risk to her children. Mothers go to prison for not having adequately protected their children from violent or abusive partners. Legally, that may be right, but until you have been in such a situation, I doubt that any of us can imagine the sense of powerlessness such a woman feels.

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Replies:

Re: personal responsibility -- anon, 4/04/10 5:44:20pm
- Re: personal responsibility -- Name Change, 4/04/10 6:03:24pm
  - Re: personal responsibility -- anon, 4/04/10 6:41:35pm
    - fears of Labour taking children away -- Peter Eveleigh, 4/04/10 8:27:16pm
      - Re: fears of Labour taking children away -- anon, 5/04/10 7:28:59am
        Did the JA make self-defense more of a priority than the defense of children? -- Peter Eveleigh, 6/04/10 11:56:08am
        Tom, what do you think (don't let mine be the only voice)? -- Peter Eveleigh, 6/04/10 3:06:27pm
        Re: Tom, what do you think (don't let mine be the only voice)? -- anon, 6/04/10 3:37:01pm
        what about the kids? -- Peter Eveleigh, 6/04/10 3:57:05pm
        Re: what about the kids? -- Peter Eveleigh, 6/04/10 4:02:11pm
        Re: what about the kids? -- peaches/nelly, 6/04/10 6:19:46pm
        Re: what about the kids? -- anon, 6/04/10 6:35:49pm
- Re: personal responsibility -- Peter Eveleigh, 4/04/10 6:16:45pm
  - Re: personal responsibility -- Barbara, 13/04/10 10:42:43pm
    - Re: Location of buttocks -- anon, 14/04/10 4:31:34pm
      - Re: Location of buttocks -- Peter Eveleigh, 14/04/10 9:25:10pm
        Re: Location of buttocks -- nelly/peaches, 14/04/10 9:40:18pm
        Re: Location of buttocks -- anon, 14/04/10 9:41:07pm
        it is all opinion -- Peter Eveleigh, 15/04/10 12:52:24pm
        Re: it is all opinion -- anon, 15/04/10 2:29:53pm
        Re: it is all opinion -- Peter Eveleigh, 15/04/10 4:19:21pm
        Re: it is all opinion -- anon, 15/04/10 4:30:31pm
        being up above -- Peter Eveleigh, 15/04/10 7:33:38pm
        Re: being up above -- anon, 15/04/10 8:24:59pm
        Re: being up above -- Peter Eveleigh, 16/04/10 7:12:10pm
        Re: being up above -- anon, 16/04/10 9:20:09pm
        Re: being up above -- nellypeaches, 16/04/10 9:22:33pm
        Re: being up above -- Peter Eveleigh, 23/04/10 5:07:53pm
        Re: Location of buttocks -- barry m, 21/04/10 12:30:58am
        Re: Location of buttocks -- Barbara, 21/04/10 10:09:42am
    - Re: personal responsibility -- barry m, 21/04/10 12:28:35am
      - Re: personal responsibility -- Barbara, 21/04/10 9:59:20am
        Beatings with sticks -- Barbara, 21/04/10 10:02:53am
      - Re: personal responsibility -- Peter Eveleigh, 23/04/10 5:18:19pm
        Choice between the JA and Jesus -- Barbara, 25/04/10 11:26:36pm
        Re: Choice between the JA and Jesus -- anon, 28/04/10 6:47:07am
        true JA -- Peter Eveleigh, 30/04/10 5:10:25pm
        Re: true JA -- anon, 30/04/10 5:20:53pm
    - Re: personal responsibility -- anon, 28/04/10 2:51:17am
      - MY NAME IS BARBARA, AS I HAVE ALREADY REPEATEDLY TOLD YOU -- Barbara, 28/04/10 4:48:16pm
      - proportion -- Peter Eveleigh, 30/04/10 5:16:55pm
        Re: proportion -- anon, 30/04/10 5:28:56pm
        Re: proportion -- nellyp, 30/04/10 8:49:33pm
        The real problem -- Barbara, 30/04/10 11:15:36pm
        Re: The real problem -- Peter Eveleigh, 4/05/10 7:23:01pm
        Re: The real problem -- Barbara, 10/05/10 2:06:54pm
        Re: The real problem -- Peter Eveleigh, 10/05/10 7:28:16pm

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>>I don't wish to justify abuse in any form, but I am >>responsible for my kids until they leave home. Agreed, >>there was clearly bad stuff that happened to community >>kids but their parents did allow it to happen and are >>ultimately responsible. sure it is easier to blame it >>on a group rather than a parent but the focus must not >>be allowed to shift away from the people who were >>responsible for the kids. It is often the same in >>schools, where parents make bad decisions for their >>kids and then blame the school when it all goes tits >>up! > >I don't think I can totally agree there. Yes, >ultimately and certainly legally, parents bare the >responsibility for what happens to their kids, but I >do know of cases from the past when the church >over-ruled a parent, like for instance when an elder >corporally punished a child when her single mother >refused to do so, back in the days when the church >believed in using the rod. > >The fact is that though we bare personal >responsibility for ourselves and our charges, we lived >under a set of rules and values which exerted >pressures that people outside the church cannot >imagine. In a way, it is a bit like the situation of a >battered woman and her children, when her partner is a >risk to her children. Mothers go to prison for not >having adequately protected their children from >violent or abusive partners. Legally, that may be >right, but until you have been in such a situation, I >doubt that any of us can imagine the sense of >powerlessness such a woman feels.
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