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>Gill >There have been some postings on here that have >perhaps given the impression the jesus army is full of >child abusers - it is not. >There have been cases of abuse in the church but as >other people have said on here it is not our place to >name and shame. >What I would ask you Gill is how child protection >procedures are followed in the household you are >attached to or in contact with. Are those who stay >regularly in houses with children asked to provide a >CRB check? >When I was in the church (about 6 years ago now)this >was spoken about but never done on the grounds it >would put people off joining. The fact the focus was >on gaining household members rather than protecting >children sums up the attitude of the church. >(I do not believe the CRB thing is a particularly good >system, but it gives an indication of how genuine the >JA are when it says it takes these things seriously). > > > > >>There is a lot in what you say, Gill; or at least I >>understand your point of view. >> >>I laughed a bit after your telling off about hearsay, >>when you then went on to make some pretty rash >>judgements about people you haven't met, but I don't >>hold it against you. >> >>It sounds to me like you are reliant on older members' >>assurances about how much things have changed, and >>naturally you feel inclined to be persuaded by the >>JA's line on things. >> >>I think it would be a waste of time trying to persuade >>you otherwise. In fact those of us who feel we care >>about the JA are not trying to persuade YOU, but to be >>here for people who have real doubts about the church, >>so that in answer to your question about helping the >>homeless, yes, John Everett and I have both given >>homes to people over the years who have left the >>church with nothing. >> >>You will be told that you always look after people who >>leave you and will find it hard to accept it when I >>tell you that this is often not the case. >> >>The self-righteous tone in your posting is nothing I >>haven't heard before; the old anti-catholic thing is >>nothing new either. The fact is the JA has actually >>changed very little, really. Yes, I was round over >>twenty years ago, but my perceptions are those of >>someone who was in close contact with a household >>locally over a number of years, until three years ago >>when one of them asked for my help in leaving. Shortly >>afterwards I helped 4 others from the same household. >>Their own perceptions -experiences of bullying, lying >>to outsiders, defaming christians from other churches, >>pressures, heavy shepherding etc have informed mine. >>Really, as I, it is all too familiar stuff. >> >>And even as you try to deny it, I am quite sure you >>will know that I am descibing the JA as you know it.
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