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Date Posted: 22/12/09 9:23:40am
Author: Peter Eveleigh
Subject: Re: cast not your pearls before swine
In reply to: Billy 's message, "Re: cast not your pearls before swine" on 21/12/09 7:35:02pm

>What Noel has done and I respect him for it is that he
>gave his life to build a foundation and of course its
>human nature to make mistakes .
>And the multiply net work is really opening up the J.A.
>
>
>Peace

Billy, you sound really cool. But there is one part of what you are saying which doesn't add up for me, which is that you recognise that the problem of the JA is its ego (the fact that, as Rufus said, remarkably, it became a prison for the mind), the fact that the leaders were spiritually confused and that Noel was second only to Jesus etc...

. . . and yet you believe that Noel built a sound foundation for what you want to build now.

You admit that Noel would turn in his grave if he knew what you have planned for the JA. That is because from the very start and from the bottom up it is built on his values...which were all about control, which makes the recent involvement of Quakers bizarre, because they are the least controlling of all Protestants.

It seems to me rather than building on Noel's foundation, you need to rip it up and dig the ground over and start again. You can't do any of this with people like Mick Temperate in charge and John Campbell running your PR. Authoritarianism, denial and t he "cast not your pearls before swine" mentality are not a good basis for openness.

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Replies:

ego -- Peter Eveleigh, 22/12/09 10:53:38am
Re: cast not your pearls before swine -- Billy, 29/12/09 9:37:56pm
- I would rather be "liked" for who I am than "esteemed" for conforming -- Peter Eveleigh, 29/12/09 9:52:06pm
- is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- Peter Eveleigh, 29/12/09 9:55:15pm
  - Re: is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- Same Old Story, 30/12/09 7:19:30am
    - Re: is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- Billy, 30/12/09 1:32:04pm
      - awareness of "mistakes" -- Peter Eveleigh, 30/12/09 2:27:14pm
  - Re: is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- John Smith, 30/12/09 10:06:28am
    - Jesus Army Bible -- John Smith, 30/12/09 10:24:47am
      - Re: Jesus Army Bible -- Billy, 30/12/09 1:49:27pm
        Re: Jesus Army Bible -- John Smith, 30/12/09 2:05:32pm
        Re: Jesus Army Bible -- Billy, 30/12/09 2:29:51pm
    - Re: is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- Billy, 30/12/09 1:39:44pm
      - Re: is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- John Smith, 30/12/09 1:57:00pm
        Re: is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- Billy, 30/12/09 2:10:26pm
        Re: is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- John Smith, 30/12/09 2:27:57pm
        Re: is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- Billy, 30/12/09 2:34:32pm
        Re: is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- John Smith, 30/12/09 2:41:35pm
        Re: is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- Peter Eveleigh, 30/12/09 2:41:49pm
        Re: is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- Billy, 31/12/09 4:32:24pm
        Happy New Year -- Peter Eveleigh, 31/12/09 6:07:19pm
        Re: Happy New Year -- Billy, 18/01/10 10:51:43am
  - Re: is that evolution or the beginning of the death of the vision -- Billy, 30/12/09 1:25:30pm

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>>What Noel has done and I respect him for it is that he >>gave his life to build a foundation and of course its >>human nature to make mistakes . >>And the multiply net work is really opening up the >J.A. >> >> >>Peace > >Billy, you sound really cool. But there is one part of >what you are saying which doesn't add up for me, which >is that you recognise that the problem of the JA is >its ego (the fact that, as Rufus said, remarkably, it >became a prison for the mind), the fact that the >leaders were spiritually confused and that Noel was >second only to Jesus etc... > > . . . and yet you believe that Noel built a sound >foundation for what you want to build now. > >You admit that Noel would turn in his grave if he knew >what you have planned for the JA. That is because from >the very start and from the bottom up it is built on >his values...which were all about control, which makes >the recent involvement of Quakers bizarre, because >they are the least controlling of all Protestants. > >It seems to me rather than building on Noel's >foundation, you need to rip it up and dig the ground >over and start again. You can't do any of this with >people like Mick Temperate in charge and John Campbell >running your PR. Authoritarianism, denial and t he >"cast not your pearls before swine" mentality are not >a good basis for openness.
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