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Date Posted: 20:34:29 02/19/07 Mon
Author: Jprice
Subject: toe up, or parallel?

As is with the case in most areas of this sport, I've heard some conflicting information.
Some say that the toe of the club should be elevated a few degrees at address position, while others say it should be parallel.
I'm wondering how the 1 Iron clubs were designed to be used, toe up or parallel?
Or is this just a matter of personal preference?

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[> Re: toe up, or parallel? -- David Lake, 08:09:05 02/20/07 Tue

JPrice,

What happens dynamically during a golf swing completely negates any clubhead set-up positioning. The address position should mimic the desired impact position as far as clubhead positioning is concerned.

David

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[> [> Re: toe up, or parallel? -- Jprice, 13:17:54 02/20/07 Tue

>> "What happens dynamically during a golf swing completely negates any clubhead set-up positioning."

That sounds a little drastic... completely negates?
I mean if you had the club head tilted way back, that would be an indication of a poor setup, wouldn't it?
Obviously that may be a drastic example, but if you extrapolate that idea, then a tilt of a few degrees would only be "slightly poor" (for lack of a better term)

I guess what I'm asking is, are the 1 Iron clubs sized/fitted based on the clubhead being parallel at setup and impact?

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[> [> [> Re: toe up, or parallel? -- David Lake, 14:46:52 02/20/07 Tue

JPrice,

I was referring to clubhead set-up within reason, per your example of "toe up" positioning. The position of your hands, arms, shoulders, clubhead, etc. will all be vastly different at impact than at address. This is due, as I mentioned, to swing dynamics. Address positioning does not take into account the downward flex of the shaft during the golf swing, nor the fact that your hands will move upwards three to four inches through impact, nor the relative positioning of the shoulders and hips due to centrifugal force during the swing, and so on.

What you want to do at address is to simply assume a comfortable position with which to start your backswing. This positioning should be one without stress and one that, in your minds eye, mimics the clubhead hitting the ball squarely on center face. In my own case this means an athletic posture with the clubhead parallel to the ground directly behind the ball.

David

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[> [> Re: toe up, or parallel? -- Ken, 10:30:31 02/26/07 Mon

Actually, if you successfully employ the single axis setup (either NG or Graves) the set up and contact positions do actually mimic each other. That's the whole point of the Single Axis method. Just my opinion and experience from both playing and watching others swing with that method.

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[> [> [> Re: toe up, or parallel? -- David Lake, 14:52:55 02/26/07 Mon

Ken,

You are correct in that a single axis set-up position is much closer to impact position than a conventional set-up position. However, it still does not take into consideration the downward shaft deflection (toe droop), through impact nor the lowered right shoulder positioning throughout the downswing caused by normal swing dynamics.

Realistically, it is not possible to exactly mimic the impact position at address, and frankly, I do not believe that there is any particular benefit in trying to do so. The goal at address is comfort and confidence; and any address position that produces this for the individual golfer is fine.

David

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