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Date Posted: 12:03:26 04/23/03 Wed
Author: Pjdutch
Subject: Re: First Ammendment (Meaning)
In reply to: Liberty 's message, "Re: First Ammendment (Meaning)" on 14:30:44 04/01/03 Tue

Two quick notes, if I may be so bold:

1. Words mean things! And the use of words sometimes bring consequences. The consequences have nothing to do with the 1st Amendment per se. Natalie Maines of the Dipsy Twits has every right to opine (I disagree with her timing and place - it should have been here on American soil since it was a criticism of our President in a time of combat), but support her right to say what she will - I am a veteran and served to protect her right to free speech. In most of the world, it should also be noted, she would go to jail for what she said, but I digress.

Anyway, after stating her opinion, her fans have the right to theirs - i.e., to buy or not to buy, to listen or not to listen. Do we agree? No one is forced to continue as a fan if there is disagreement in opinion, politics, whatever. Tim Robbins and Susie Sarandon and others are also learning this lesson the hard way. They have the right to speak, and we have the right to shut them off - has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment right of free speech. Words mean things and have consequences, so the entertainment industry should weigh what it wants to say, so that consequences don't burst their over blown egos and deflate their pocketbooks of our cash. Plain and simple.

2. The pledge: I have no trouble with "under God" for several reasons. The Supreme Court, up to the last 50/60 years has said several times that we are a Christian based nation. Not a Christian nation, but a nation based on the principles found in the Bible. Many of our founders quoted extensively from the Bible, both to form our new government and to justify our revolution from Mother England. As a point of interest, after the Bible, the next most quoted person was William Blackstone - an English minister. So in my humble opinion, if a few atheists are upset - tough shit! This a Republic, governed by law, and 4% of the population can not/should not dictate to 96% to change.

Okay, I wasn't too quick - shoot me.



>Hi Equity, thank you for replying. My apologies
>for the late response. I am not familiar with the
>Libertarian Party in the U.K. and I must admit that I
>have not had much time to do any research on the
>Libertarian Party in England. If you have any time in
>your next posting I would love to hear more about it.
>Specifically any similarities between England. and the
>U.S. party, any differences as well or if you can post
>any links to any web sites you would recommend that
>would be greatly appreciated!
>
>
>"Any comments thereon should not be viewed as
>Anti-American. My girlfriend is american (and yes I
>have read the Constitution more than her!) and my
>Grandfather was stationed in Philadelphia for part of
>WW2. I believe that there are areas of Public life in
>the UK (I normally say England) that are in some cases
>superior to, and some which are inferior to those of
>the United States."
>
>Not interpreted as anti-American. I have never had
>the pleasure to visit England (most of my traveling
>has been confined to the Asian Pacific) so I cannot
>honestly make any comparisons between the supioriority
>or inferiority of either nation in regards to each
>other. However, I have heard wonderful things about
>your country and I my wife and I have discussed
>traveling there one day. I do look forward to it!
>
>"For example, if one must say the "Oath of Allegence"
>I am of the belief that the bit that goes "under God"
>should not be included as it runs contrary to the
>spirit, at least, of the First Ammendment provision
>regarding the Establishment of Religion. Comming from
>a country which has an established church perhaps I am
>a little too touchy on this."
>
>I agree as well. I do not think an oath that
>pledges allegiance to the flag that flies over every
>school and government building in this country should
>make a person acknowledge the existance of a god. Me
>personally, I do acknowledge the existence of a higher
>power. But that is something that I have formed based
>on my upbringing, studies and personal faith. However
>I do not like my government forcing the athiest down
>the road to put aside their belief in a higher power
>whenever they say the pledge of allegiance.
>
>"My point is that I do not pursue the matter because I
>was not born in the US!!"
>
>It does not matter, at least not on my board. I
>will listen to anyones opinion, regardless of where
>they were born or where they reside. I may not agree
>with it, but I promise you I will not use the weak,
>"You are not from here so your opinion does not
>count!" crap.
>
>"Me too and I look forward to plenty of interaction
>on-line in the coming weeks and months"
>
>Take care my friend and I look forward to further
>post!

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