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Date Posted: 18:57:20 06/22/05 Wed
Author: Jennine Ross
Subject: amateur genealogist

I am the great-granddaughter of Howard P. Vanderlip, nephew of Frank A. and Narcissa C. Vanderlip. Until recently, I had no idea about this side of the family. My ggf died in 1988 and I was intrigued by the history of the school and it's origins. I wonder if anyone has any recollections of any family members encountered over the years and of the current state of the property, I can't seem to find much on current status of the Vanderlip's home, Beechwood, itself. Any info would be most appreciated. I hope there is enough interest to maintain your uniquely wonderful site.

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[> Re: amateur genealogist -- Todd Kasow '72, 12:45:43 06/25/05 Sat

Hi Jennine, and welcome.
I don't have any info about your grandparents but did see the old mansion a few years ago. The mansion itself was converted to condos. It seems very well taken care of and totally original. The geat front lawn is intact as are the Roman Gardens, although the gardens are not planted as they used to be. Considering the disrepair Beechwood mansion was in during the 80's, I personally feel grateful it wasn't torn down.
The soccer field is no longer, having had small 2 level condo's built there, but all the old trees along the road are still there and again, things could have been a lot worse. I have some pictures from about 3 years ago that i'll dig up and sendto you if I can find them.
Being one of the "train crowd", I spent everyday walking through the property and have many fond memories of the Roman Gardens in full bloom. I also remember two large St. Bernards (Suzy and Sally???) that would spot us from way across the great lawn and gallop towards us to deposit their great gobs of saliva.
Do you have any old pictures or stories you could share? We always heard there was a secret tunnel to the river....... and once we snuck into the house and found a large room filled with roman warrior miniatures on a giant table that had been built up into landscapes of Rome. I also fell in love with the room that had TWO concert grand pianos!
best
Todd

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[> [> Re: amateur genealogist -- Roy Lewis 1970-1973, 14:51:35 01/27/08 Sun

>Hi Jennine, and welcome.

I Too remmember that mansion by the soccerfield where the May poles would be set up , and sometimes there were these huge fans to blow the limbs of the trees and leaves when they would film episodes of "Dark Shadows".
We had a cooking class in the mansions kitchen It was an awesome place with beautiful copper cook ware dangling over a huge wooden prep table as I remember and there were two huge old gas ovens,
what adventure.
didnt those st, Bernards belong to coach Kelly(Mike Kellys' dad)I kinda remember them hanging around during soccer practise and greeting Mike.
Roy Lewis
> I don't have any info about your grandparents but
>did see the old mansion a few years ago. The mansion
>itself was converted to condos. It seems very well
>taken care of and totally original. The geat front
>lawn is intact as are the Roman Gardens, although the
>gardens are not planted as they used to be.
>Considering the disrepair Beechwood mansion was in
>during the 80's, I personally feel grateful it wasn't
>torn down.
> The soccer field is no longer, having had small 2
>level condo's built there, but all the old trees along
>the road are still there and again, things could have
>been a lot worse. I have some pictures from about 3
>years ago that i'll dig up and sendto you if I can
>find them.
> Being one of the "train crowd", I spent everyday
>walking through the property and have many fond
>memories of the Roman Gardens in full bloom. I also
>remember two large St. Bernards (Suzy and Sally???)
>that would spot us from way across the great lawn and
>gallop towards us to deposit their great gobs of
>saliva.
> Do you have any old pictures or stories you could
>share? We always heard there was a secret tunnel to
>the river....... and once we snuck into the house and
>found a large room filled with roman warrior
>miniatures on a giant table that had been built up
>into landscapes of Rome. I also fell in love with the
>room that had TWO concert grand pianos!
>best
>Todd

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[> The Schoales Family -- Ned Depew, 18:07:39 08/05/05 Fri

Anne Schoales, her sister Sarah and her late brother Dudley were all related to the Vanderlips and lived in a house on the property. Dudley was class of '61 I believe, and Anne '64 or '65 I know Sarah was older than Anne, and I think she was a year or two older than Dudley, but I may be wrong...

Anyway, Anne was living in Pound Ridge in the 1980s and hosted a reunion of about 30-40 people from the 1963-1966 classes. I have her e-mail address as: ackma@aol.com - but I e-mailed her once or twice in the last couple of years and got no response (athough the mail didn't bounce). I haven't tried it lately. If you can locate her, she should be a good source of information about her branch of the family.

Let me know how you fare. I'd love to post more about the Vanderlips - especially Narcissa (I wish I'd known that was her name!), who was quite a rebel girl in her day, a suffragette and pal of Eleanor Roosevelt!

Cheers,

N

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[> [> Re: The Schoales Family -- Robert E. (Bob) Brown, 15:14:02 07/22/06 Sat

>Anne Schoales, her sister Sarah and her late brother
>Dudley were all related to the Vanderlips and lived in
>a house on the property. Dudley was class of '61 I
>believe, and Anne '64 or '65 I know Sarah was older
>than Anne, and I think she was a year or two older
>than Dudley, but I may be wrong...
>
>Anyway, Anne was living in Pound Ridge in the 1980s
>and hosted a reunion of about 30-40 people from the
>1963-1966 classes. I have her e-mail address as:
>ackma@aol.com - but I e-mailed her once or twice in
>the last couple of years and got no response (athough
>the mail didn't bounce). I haven't tried it lately. If
>you can locate her, she should be a good source of
>information about her branch of the family.
>
>Let me know how you fare. I'd love to post more about
>the Vanderlips - especially Narcissa (I wish I'd known
>that was her name!), who was quite a rebel girl in her
>day, a suffragette and pal of Eleanor Roosevelt!
>
>Cheers,
>
>N
I worked briefly for Magnalith Corporation, a small group headed by Sven Fougner of Garden City in 1971. Mr. Fougner had met Dudley Schoales while breeding pure bred dogs with Mrs. Vanderlip. Dudley had married Mrs. Vanderlip's daughter, who was very involved in the magazine business in the 1940's.

Mr. Schoales was funding the Fougner venture out of his pocket, so any new employees had to be approved. When I was interviewed in Dudley's office at Morgan Stanley, Dudley talked about his Yale education and the time he had spent working in a foundry afer college. He was very amiable and I liked him immediately. The venture came to a quick demise when Dudley's wife suddenly died and he lost interest when burdened with this misfortune.

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[> [> [> Re: The Schoales Family -- Karen Gold Ferrandi, 18:31:06 03/09/08 Sun

I attended nursery school with Dudley Schoales and later Anne and Sarah became closes friends of mine. Dudley was the oldest, would be about 65-66 if he had been with us today, and Annie the youngest. I left Scarborogh in 5th grade to attend public school in Tarrytown where we lived on an estate called Suncliff, formally belonging to Jay Gould before my family purchased it in the late 30s.

I returned to Scarborough in 1956 attended till my senior year (class of 1960)..
I have a plethora of fine memories of Scarbrough, having attended it for the better part of my complete education with just the 4 years of primary (2) And junior high (2)
absent from Scarborough.

I spent many a night at the Schoales residence being a good friend of Sarahs and Annie as well. I even remember when we had a terrible fire at the school and used the Vanderlip mansion for classes whilst the school was out of comission.

My recollection of those years is quite vivid, impressed on me always is "Manners Maketh Man" and I even have a great photo taken a good 20 years ago at the school under that great motto leading to the auditorium. It sits in a silver frame here amongst my many friends and family- a lasting tribute to my love for Scarbrough and how important all those years were to me.

Love to hear from you and anyone who feels the impact Scarbrough made on our lives.






>>Anne Schoales, her sister Sarah and her late brother
>>Dudley were all related to the Vanderlips and lived in
>>a house on the property. Dudley was class of '61 I
>>believe, and Anne '64 or '65 I know Sarah was older
>>than Anne, and I think she was a year or two older
>>than Dudley, but I may be wrong...
>>
>>Anyway, Anne was living in Pound Ridge in the 1980s
>>and hosted a reunion of about 30-40 people from the
>>1963-1966 classes. I have her e-mail address as:
>>ackma@aol.com - but I e-mailed her once or twice in
>>the last couple of years and got no response (athough
>>the mail didn't bounce). I haven't tried it lately. If
>>you can locate her, she should be a good source of
>>information about her branch of the family.
>>
>>Let me know how you fare. I'd love to post more about
>>the Vanderlips - especially Narcissa (I wish I'd known
>>that was her name!), who was quite a rebel girl in her
>>day, a suffragette and pal of Eleanor Roosevelt!
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>N
>I worked briefly for Magnalith Corporation, a small
>group headed by Sven Fougner of Garden City in 1971.
>Mr. Fougner had met Dudley Schoales while breeding
>pure bred dogs with Mrs. Vanderlip. Dudley had married
>Mrs. Vanderlip's daughter, who was very involved in
>the magazine business in the 1940's.
>
>Mr. Schoales was funding the Fougner venture out of
>his pocket, so any new employees had to be approved.
>When I was interviewed in Dudley's office at Morgan
>Stanley, Dudley talked about his Yale education and
>the time he had spent working in a foundry afer
>college. He was very amiable and I liked him
>immediately. The venture came to a quick demise when
>Dudley's wife suddenly died and he lost interest when
>burdened with this misfortune.

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[> [> Re: The Schoales Family -- Gareth Hougham, 10:21:48 12/07/16 Wed

I went to Scarborough School for 10th and half of 11th. That would be 1973-1974. I also worked for Dudley in his restaurant during both summers. First as a dishwasher/salad and soup maker and later dishwasher and assistant cook. Great learning experience. Dudley, it must be said was a very unusual person. Never particularly nice, though he did teach me a lot about cooking and asked me to crew on his racing sailboat. I declined for reasons I shan't mention here. He was a colorful character. Usually quite drunk by the time the restaurant was packed with diners. It was a pretty fancy place with an amazing ambiance. He would often wear farmer overalls and red converse high top sneakers. Pity the customer who made a complaint. Once, he stormed out of the kitchen and literally got into a shoving match. I did not see this but heard about it from my colleagues. I did see once when he went out, plopped down at the table where the complaining gent sat with his guests and argued with him. It was an issue of flavor of some kind. Dudley came into the kitchen and had us prepare a couple samples with slight differences. He took them out to the table and had the guy taste test on the spot to prove the original was better than what the guy seemed to think was proper. I don't remember if the customer conceded the point or stood firm. I enjoyed working there and worked very hard. Often until after midnight on Friday and Saturdays. I quit though on a busy Friday night when the main cook quit in a huff over something and I took over the kitchen. Briefly. I was doing both his job and mine. It was a crisis situation and we (there was another helper dude) were pulling it off. Then, I put a trout in a pan and ran down to the walk-in refrigerator (which was outside and down an alley) to get something. When I got back a couple minutes later I found that I had burned the trout. Ok, my bad. Dudley's wife, a beautiful but bossy woman who's name was Sealy was suddenly trying to orchestrate the kitchen and told me that she was going to take the burned trout out of my pay. I was incredulous! That was a last straw. I went out to the restaurant where Dudley was drunkenly holding forth at a table, told him I quit and left. Now, the only thing I am bitter about was that every payday, Dudley would calculate my pay from the hour sheet, carefully deduct a tax withholding percentage, and then pay me from the register in cash. At the end of the year when no W-2 showed up in the mail, I rode my bicycle to his house and knocked on the door. (Remember, I was 15 years old). Dudley answered and I naively asked him for my W-2 form. He said there was no W-2 form for me and to go away. So, that was that. He had simply been ripping me off every payday. I remain shocked to this day that a person could be that cold and calculating. Other than that though, I cherish the memory of those two summers, despite some mild and ultimately harmless sexual harassment in the kitchen.
I have always wondered what every happend to Sealy and their child who was a baby at that time. I think its name was Sky, or Moonbeam, or Cloud or something like that. Dudley and Sealey were both flawed but interesting people. I hope Moonbeam, or whatever, inherited the better parts of them. If anybody knows, I'd very very interested to hear. Oh, I also remember John Cheever frequenting the restaurant. That was pretty cool, even then. Oh, I also remember jazz on Thursday nights. An amazing jazz group, featuring Pete Compo would play and the place would transform to a 1930's speakeasy. I would finish my shift and the bartender would sneak me a mug of Beck's. (yea, I was 15, but those were different days and the drinking age was only 18, so it wassn't that big a stretch). I also remember the night that President Richard Nixon resigned. A black and white television was brought in and placed on the bar. The restaurant full of customers and the whole kitchen staff in their aprons standing near the kitchen door were silent and spellbound as Nixon resigned on live television. It was quite memorable. I have more stories, but that's enough for now. Please do let me know if you have any info on Dudley, Sealy and their child's life (and name) after the restaurant closed. Thanks, Gareth

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[> Re: amateur genealogist -- van ridgway, 16:21:10 07/24/06 Mon

hello.
I see you have had no replies and while I can't help, I have asked a couple of friends to see if we can get you a name or two of a school historian.
Regards.
Van


>I am the great-granddaughter of Howard P. Vanderlip,
>nephew of Frank A. and Narcissa C. Vanderlip. Until
>recently, I had no idea about this side of the family.
>My ggf died in 1988 and I was intrigued by the history
>of the school and it's origins. I wonder if anyone has
>any recollections of any family members encountered
>over the years and of the current state of the
>property, I can't seem to find much on current status
>of the Vanderlip's home, Beechwood, itself. Any info
>would be most appreciated. I hope there is enough
>interest to maintain your uniquely wonderful site.

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[> [> Re: amateur genealogist -- Clark W. Nicholls, 19:49:21 05/22/08 Thu

See the book "Phantoms of the Hudson Valley" by Monica Randall. A section on Beechwood, mentioning it was made into condominiums. Google search for beechwood vanderlip reveals:
Save the Date…The 20th Annual Ossining Food Pantry Celebration will be held on Sunday, September 21 from 5 – 8 pm in the ballroom and gardens of Beechwood, the historic Vanderlip estate in Scarborough, NY, hosted by Mr. and Mrs. James Simmons. If you can give some time to help make the 20th Celebration a big success, please contact Karin Chaudauri, 2008’s Celebration Chair, at 914-373-1048 to volunteer. All are welcome. We hope to see you there!


>hello.
>I see you have had no replies and while I can't help,
>I have asked a couple of friends to see if we can get
>you a name or two of a school historian.
>Regards.
>Van
>
>
>>I am the great-granddaughter of Howard P. Vanderlip,
>>nephew of Frank A. and Narcissa C. Vanderlip. Until
>>recently, I had no idea about this side of the family.
>>My ggf died in 1988 and I was intrigued by the history
>>of the school and it's origins. I wonder if anyone has
>>any recollections of any family members encountered
>>over the years and of the current state of the
>>property, I can't seem to find much on current status
>>of the Vanderlip's home, Beechwood, itself. Any info
>>would be most appreciated. I hope there is enough
>>interest to maintain your uniquely wonderful site.

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[> [> [> Re: amateur genealogist -- Clark W. Nicholls, 19:54:49 05/22/08 Thu

<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.marycase.com/MyHomeDtl_Printable.asp?lstPages=&HomeID=663895">http://www.marycase.com/MyHomeDtl_Printable.asp?lstPages=&HomeID=663895</a>

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[> Vanderlip home -- Alison Blank, 12:56:11 10/28/08 Tue

>Vanderlip is part of a complex of townhouses which were created on the lawn of the estate. The house itself was, I believe, carved into several residences.

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[> Re: amateur genealogist -- Alma Ippolito Walshak, 20:34:12 01/27/09 Tue

>I know that my brother was very involved with Scarborough and knew Mrs. schoales pretty well. i don't know if he can give you any info but you might try him..Dr Elio Ippolito of Sleepy Hollow, NY. I am vacationing right now in CA so I don't have his phone # but am sure it is listed.

Iam the great-granddaughter of Howard P. Vanderlip,
>nephew of Frank A. and Narcissa C. Vanderlip. Until
>recently, I had no idea about this side of the family.
>My ggf died in 1988 and I was intrigued by the history
>of the school and it's origins. I wonder if anyone has
>any recollections of any family members encountered
>over the years and of the current state of the
>property, I can't seem to find much on current status
>of the Vanderlip's home, Beechwood, itself. Any info
>would be most appreciated. I hope there is enough
>interest to maintain your uniquely wonderful site.

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[> [> Re: amateur genealogist -- J.P. Smith, 06:25:26 02/11/09 Wed

I taught Elio's daughter and served on the board of trustees (when I'd come back to teach at SS) when he was president of the board. I believe he's affiliated with Phelps Hospital in Sleepy Hollow.



>>I know that my brother was very involved with
>Scarborough and knew Mrs. schoales pretty well. i
>don't know if he can give you any info but you might
>try him..Dr Elio Ippolito of Sleepy Hollow, NY. I am
>vacationing right now in CA so I don't have his phone
># but am sure it is listed.
>
>Iam the great-granddaughter of Howard P. Vanderlip,
>>nephew of Frank A. and Narcissa C. Vanderlip. Until
>>recently, I had no idea about this side of the family.
>>My ggf died in 1988 and I was intrigued by the history
>>of the school and it's origins. I wonder if anyone has
>>any recollections of any family members encountered
>>over the years and of the current state of the
>>property, I can't seem to find much on current status
>>of the Vanderlip's home, Beechwood, itself. Any info
>>would be most appreciated. I hope there is enough
>>interest to maintain your uniquely wonderful site.

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[> Re: amateur genealogist -- Patrick droulers, 03:38:42 09/28/17 Thu

Dear All
I remember visiting Dudley Nelson Schoals and my aunt Tauny de Lesseeps in Beechwood in 1974
Who were the relationship of Schoals and Van der Lip family?
I remember a wonderful barn with tapestries into the properties grounds
where Dudley was occupying
Is it still existing?
Thank you
Patrick

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[> [> Re: amateur genealogist -- J.P. Smith, 12:27:05 10/01/17 Sun

>Dear All
>I remember visiting Dudley Nelson Schoals and my aunt
>Tauny de Lesseeps in Beechwood in 1974
>Who were the relationship of Schoals and Van der Lip
>family?
>I remember a wonderful barn with tapestries into the
>properties grounds
>where Dudley was occupying
>Is it still existing?
>Thank you
>Patrick

Posted in 2006 here:

"Anne Schoales, her sister Sarah and her late brother
>Dudley were all related to the Vanderlips and lived in
>a house on the property. Dudley was class of '61 I
>believe, and Anne '64 or '65 I know Sarah was older
>than Anne, and I think she was a year or two older
>than Dudley, but I may be wrong..."

Though I was a 1966 grad, I came back to teach for 4 years in 1973, and sometimes went to Dudley's restaurant.
>

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