Well Bratty, talking about weird - you definitely are one of the weirdest eggs I ran into lately. That's probably the reason why I still like you inspite of those very strange ideas of yours. But this time you actually got something right -- Welcome To The Crzy House

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Date Posted: 05:05:45 05/21/03 Wed
Author: Alie
Subject: Well Bratty, talking about weird - you definitely are one of the weirdest eggs I ran into lately. That's probably the reason why I still like you inspite of those very strange ideas of yours. But this time you actually got something right
In reply to: brattyratty 's message, "You are weird guys. You ask each other about why some gays vote for republicans instead of asking them directly. Offer some guy of them to explain his position on this forum. I don�t think he�ll refuse." on 15:59:25 05/20/03 Tue

Modern constitutions all guarantee equal rights to all citizens of the state/country for which the constitution is valid. Full access to civil rights in these countries is based on citizenship, not on gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or the political party that happens to be in power.

This is the reason why Ashcroft wants Patriot Act II which would allow to expatriate US citizens and thereby deny them their guaranteed rights. This again is the reason why there is an international convention that prohibits that states expatriate their citizens. Of course this could be another international convention the USA never (fully) joined or already left again.

Citizen rights that are not based on citizenship and are only valid for certain groups are not rights but privileges. I agree with Bratty that I'd have equal rights rather than equal privileges, but I'm afraid my idea of what the rights should guarantee is somewhat different from his.

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If even I�m weird that doesn�t mean I am wrong. I was born and raised in a country that is way far from your western standards and I can compare things and look at them with fresh eyes. My experience in the democratic world is a chain of disappointments. My na�ve thoughts about free society were just a set of illusions�And I�m sure I understand some things better than you. Not because I�m awfully smart ( I am though) but because I can compare� -- brattyratty, 17:24:23 05/23/03 Fri
- so all married people oppress all unmarried people. Guess we should abolish marriage altogether, then nobody will be oppressed right? From all that I have seen money is a very small priority in the fight for gay marriage... -- Drew Greyfox, 18:51:17 05/23/03 Fri
  - A little comment. In a really free society Family and State should be separated. -- brattyratty, 21:35:13 05/23/03 Fri
    - I agree with you that marriage should be your own business and not the governmentsj, but I don't buy into the "married people oppress unmarried people" idea. It doesn't hold water. It also seems that you're blurring democracy together with capitalism. While capitalism is very strong in the US and the greed of capitalism influences many of the governments decisions and policies, there is a very big difference between democracy and capitalism... -- Drew Greyfox, 22:54:26 05/23/03 Fri
      - I understand the difference between capitalism and democracy but I think it�s you who doesn�t understand it. All things that are good in America are a result of capitalism ( though very imperfect capitalism) all evil is a result of democracy� -- brattyratty, 07:13:49 05/24/03 Sat
        *shakes head* everything good in the US is the result of capitalism while democracy is the root of all evil? Sorry Bratty, but thats one of the more ridiculous things Ive ever heard. So the power of the dollar should reign supreme while democracy is abolished? (NT) -- Drew Greyfox, 07:45:06 05/24/03 Sat
  - A little comment. In a really free society Family and State should be separated. -- brattyratty, 21:48:40 05/23/03 Fri