If even I�m weird that doesn�t mean I am wrong. I was born and raised in a country that is way far from your western standards and I can compare things and look at them with fresh eyes. My experience in the democratic world is a chain of disappointments. My na�ve thoughts about free society were just a set of illusions�And I�m sure I understand some things better than you. Not because I�m awfully smart ( I am though) but because I can compare� -- Welcome To The Crzy House

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Date Posted: 17:24:23 05/23/03 Fri
Author: brattyratty
Subject: If even I�m weird that doesn�t mean I am wrong. I was born and raised in a country that is way far from your western standards and I can compare things and look at them with fresh eyes. My experience in the democratic world is a chain of disappointments. My na�ve thoughts about free society were just a set of illusions�And I�m sure I understand some things better than you. Not because I�m awfully smart ( I am though) but because I can compare�
In reply to: Alie 's message, "Well Bratty, talking about weird - you definitely are one of the weirdest eggs I ran into lately. That's probably the reason why I still like you inspite of those very strange ideas of yours. But this time you actually got something right" on 05:05:45 05/21/03 Wed

I think I�ve explained why marriage is not a right but a privilege but I maybe wasn�t convincible enough Well, I know an old lady who has government�s pension and housing. Her neghibours have more pension and pay for their apartment less. Because they are married couple. In every democratic society the government supports �family�. This supporting is money. Who does pay it? I think it is a point you liberals don�t understand clearly.
Some super-na�ve people think that money collected as taxes are �everybody�s fair share of the common welfare�. Stupid, right? Other guys understand that there are people who pay more and have less. But they think it depends on somebody�s place on a �social ladder�. I�ve heard than 50 % of all taxes in America are paid by only 500 000 richest citizens and in contrary I�ve heard that it is a middle class who supplies the government with their money. ( Marxists think that the poor pay for all. Lunatics) The both ideas are wrong. The real rule is: if you don�t get you pay. It�s democracy. That means gays pay for family benefits but they don�t get it. So gays are an oppressed group. But if gays had all marriage rights, as in Netherlands, we would get not earned money from people who has no family. That means: to move to an oppressing group. Is it so hard to understand?
God damned democracy!

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so all married people oppress all unmarried people. Guess we should abolish marriage altogether, then nobody will be oppressed right? From all that I have seen money is a very small priority in the fight for gay marriage... -- Drew Greyfox, 18:51:17 05/23/03 Fri
- A little comment. In a really free society Family and State should be separated. -- brattyratty, 21:35:13 05/23/03 Fri
  - I agree with you that marriage should be your own business and not the governmentsj, but I don't buy into the "married people oppress unmarried people" idea. It doesn't hold water. It also seems that you're blurring democracy together with capitalism. While capitalism is very strong in the US and the greed of capitalism influences many of the governments decisions and policies, there is a very big difference between democracy and capitalism... -- Drew Greyfox, 22:54:26 05/23/03 Fri
    - I understand the difference between capitalism and democracy but I think it�s you who doesn�t understand it. All things that are good in America are a result of capitalism ( though very imperfect capitalism) all evil is a result of democracy� -- brattyratty, 07:13:49 05/24/03 Sat
      - *shakes head* everything good in the US is the result of capitalism while democracy is the root of all evil? Sorry Bratty, but thats one of the more ridiculous things Ive ever heard. So the power of the dollar should reign supreme while democracy is abolished? (NT) -- Drew Greyfox, 07:45:06 05/24/03 Sat
- A little comment. In a really free society Family and State should be separated. -- brattyratty, 21:48:40 05/23/03 Fri