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Subject: playing the bagpipes


Author:
treebeard
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Date Posted: 16:20:43 10/09/02 Wed

ok so i just got these highland pipes from e-bay...rosewood standard beginner kind of piPes i guess..always wanted to play them...i've sealed the bag twice and it keeps it's air to a good degree,checked the drones for sound ...the reed plays but i got to blow like no ones bussiness...is that standard....should the reed be kept wet or damp....its sooo hard to make it play when its all hooked up most of the air seems to escape via the canter through the reed...is that standard....or...is there a secret.....anyone's imput would be great, i obviously have alot of questions....
HEALTH AND HAPPINESS

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[> Subject: Re: playing the bagpipes


Author:
dagdaj
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Date Posted: 17:45:31 10/10/02 Thu

My tips...and you'll find that everyone has differing opinions.

-Yep...you have to blow like crazy...but you gain strength.
-Get a practice chanter. Tons easier to learn on.
-See if you can get hooked up with a band or teacher in your area. There's lots of directories on the web. It's much easier to learn right from the start than it is to correct bad habits down the road. You'll be more pleased with your final product that way.


>ok so i just got these highland pipes from
>e-bay...rosewood standard beginner kind of piPes i
>guess..always wanted to play them...i've sealed the
>bag twice and it keeps it's air to a good
>degree,checked the drones for sound ...the reed plays
>but i got to blow like no ones bussiness...is that
>standard....should the reed be kept wet or damp....its
>sooo hard to make it play when its all hooked up most
>of the air seems to escape via the canter through the
>reed...is that standard....or...is there a
>secret.....anyone's imput would be great, i obviously
>have alot of questions....
>HEALTH AND HAPPINESS

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[> Subject: Re: playing the bagpipes


Author:
Chris C.
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Date Posted: 12:13:21 03/12/03 Wed

>should the reed be kept wet or damp....

You can dampen it a bit, which sometimes (depending on the reed) makes it a bit easier to play.... Some pipers frown on this practice, but usually the reed will dampen a bit while playing anyway.


>its
>sooo hard to make it play when its all hooked up most
>of the air seems to escape via the canter through the
>reed...is that standard....or...is there a
>secret.....

Maybe check your valve, especially if you have a leather one? I once had a problem with extra air escaping somewhere while playing, and it wasn't the bag -- I found I was losing some air through the leather flapper valve. I replaced it with a plastic valve, and it's much much better.

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[> Subject: Re: playing the bagpipes


Author:
ric
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Date Posted: 15:44:11 03/28/03 Fri

First, it takes months of training and practice to get the pipes to where they don't make anything but a squeel. Get you a good practice chanter and start learning you notes.
Second, you probably got a set of paki pipes from ebay. they are not the best. You can make them play but usually you have to replace the bag(leaks) air valve (leaks) and chanter(usually way off tune). Plus all the reeds will have to be replaced with good ones.
Third, find someone with experience with these, if you don't they will end back up on ebay for a pittance of what you paid for them.Either that or firewood, seen it happen.

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[> Subject: Re: playing the bagpipes


Author:
trainfever
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Date Posted: 16:08:43 05/17/03 Sat

>ok so i just got these highland pipes from
>e-bay...rosewood standard beginner kind of piPes
I also bought the same pipes off of Ebay(I'm another newbie). I had trouble keeping them filled with air also. Take all the drones out of their stocks and plug the stocks,then blow the bag up with air. Check to see if air is leaking from any of the drone stocks. You wil notice that air is problably leaking out of the chanter stock, thats where mine was leaking. Retie the chanter stock. I also replaced the blowpipe valve with a new rubber flapper valve. The leather one that comes with them isn't very good. I was also told that the drone reeds(cane) are not that good and they use a lot of air. So I ordered a set of synthetic ones from Hendersons. I'm waiting for delivery of them still. I hope that will solve everything.

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[> [> Subject: Re: playing the bagpipes


Author:
Bruce Wright
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Date Posted: 01:22:11 05/19/03 Mon

>>ok so i just got these highland pipes from
>>e-bay...rosewood standard beginner kind of piPes
> I also bought the same pipes off of Ebay(I'm another
>newbie). I had trouble keeping them filled with air
>also. Take all the drones out of their stocks and plug
>the stocks,then blow the bag up with air. Check to see
>if air is leaking from any of the drone stocks. You
>wil notice that air is problably leaking out of the
>chanter stock, thats where mine was leaking.

In any pipe there are a number of places that might leak ... the chanter stock tie-in can be problematic if the person who did it doesn't have the technique down for padding around the seam (welt) in the bag. However any of the drone or blowpipe tie-ins can leak, plus you can get leaks around any of the joints (in which case you need more hemp twine) or through cracks in the stocks (in which case you'll either need to glue the stock, or have it repaired or replaced). In addition if you're playing any kind of hide bag you should season it regularly ... it can leak through the pores or the seam. One of the best concoctions for that is Hardie's Airtight for most leather and sheepskin bags, or Gannaway's dressing for the Gannaway bag.

It's a good idea to check the pipe every couple weeks or so for leaks ... cork up all the stocks and see if it holds air. It should remain about as tight as a football for about 1 minute if it's reasonably airtight ... if not, you're working too hard and need to find the leaks. Also, none of the joints should "rock" if you try to move them back and forth ... either where the drones, chanter, and blowpipe are attached to the stocks, or on any of the tuning slides.

The rubber flap valves are generally much easier to work with than leather flap valves although if you have the time to tinker with them the leather ones can be made to work OK.

Likewise cane drone reeds can usually be adjusted to make them go better or smoother or to take more or less air. They are however generally more trouble than plastic, especially if you don't play often (cane drone reeds really need to be played at least once every other day to keep them going). One problem I've noticed with using plastic drone reeds in Pakistani pipes that students have brought to me is that some of the drone stocks are too narrow to accommodate some models of plastic drone reeds - Henderson, Wygent, and Ezeedrones will usually fit better than some others like Omegas or Shepherds which are often too fat.

You may find you want to replace the pipe chanter at some point ... the chanters on most Pakistani instruments are poor (very flat and often impossible to tune properly due to poor hole spacing and workmanship). Likewise the bags are often either very short-lived or completely unuseable ... though they can be replaced of course. Often after getting better reeds, a better valve, fixing or replacing the bag so it doesn't leak, and replacing the chanter, you can end up with a useable instrument, though I'd recommend getting a Dunbar or Crisler polypenco pipe instead - after all the required upgrades the price of both will be similar and the polypenco pipe will sound nicer than the Pakistani pipe and be much more trouble-free.

Best of luck,

--Bruce

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[> Subject: Re: playing the bagpipes


Author:
John Mitchell
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Date Posted: 03:01:41 05/19/03 Mon

>ok so i just got these highland pipes from
>e-bay...rosewood standard beginner kind of piPes

There is no such thing. All bagpipes have to be played with the same technique and skill requirments regardless of quality of pipes.

You can't learn this on your own!

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