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SkShepherd
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Date Posted: 21:48:45 02/14/02 Thu

I will be purchasing some pipes for the first time in the near future and have a spending limit of $1000. I would like to get the most for my money and would appreciate any suggestions anyone might have.
Thanks
Steve

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Author:
Nadav Yogev
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Date Posted: 04:27:39 02/15/02 Fri

Naill's.

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Author:
skshepherd
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Date Posted: 16:57:35 02/15/02 Fri

>Naill's.
Thats interesting you say to stay away from the Kintail's, cause I was considering them. Is the quality poor? Someone had also suggested David Booth pipes, any thoughts on those?
Also do nickel slides worth it? Do they add durability? Just curious as I am a novice.
Thanks for all the help!
Steve

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Author:
Hal
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Date Posted: 05:43:20 02/16/02 Sat

I never met a set of Kintails that wasn't cracked, ugly (in tone and appearance)and made with he same care that one would use to spit out a window driving on the turnpike. To put it bluntly, DON'T!

Nickel and silver and these things do nothing but add ornamentation to a pipe. The nickel doesn't improve strength, that wood will crack right underneath it with no problem. As far as Booth goes, nice sound but can be extremely tough to reed and get balanced. And for a beginner like you, you want something you can play without spending hours on set up! A friend of mine had a set of Booths and they served him well, but he sold them 6 months ago for a set of Naills. To be honest, you might as well buy Naill from the beginning because odds are that's what you'll upgrade to in a year's time. Good luck with whatever you choose.

By the way, stay away from Kron. They just suck outright! Should be fun to see all these "professionals" out there that are going to compete with them this year! I know one here in the states, but he sells them, and plays a horribly flat chanter! Oh well, a grade 1 piper, I mean, a pro piper, can do whatever he likes I guess.

Then again this is all my opinion, and what do I know? :)


Hal


>>Naill's.
>Thats interesting you say to stay away from the
>Kintail's, cause I was considering them. Is the
>quality poor? Someone had also suggested David Booth
>pipes, any thoughts on those?
>Also do nickel slides worth it? Do they add
>durability? Just curious as I am a novice.
>Thanks for all the help!
>Steve

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Author:
Dennis
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Date Posted: 18:27:12 02/17/02 Sun

Krons are probably the best pipe you can buy right now. Anyone who says these pipes "suck" obviously has ulterior motives. Many top pipers are switching to this pipe and they are becoming a hit out here in the Pacific NW, a place which has always been considered "Naill" country.



I never met a set of Kintails that wasn't cracked,
>ugly (in tone and appearance)and made with he same
>care that one would use to spit out a window driving
>on the turnpike. To put it bluntly, DON'T!
>
>Nickel and silver and these things do nothing but add
>ornamentation to a pipe. The nickel doesn't improve
>strength, that wood will crack right underneath it
>with no problem. As far as Booth goes, nice sound but
>can be extremely tough to reed and get balanced. And
>for a beginner like you, you want something you can
>play without spending hours on set up! A friend of
>mine had a set of Booths and they served him well, but
>he sold them 6 months ago for a set of Naills. To be
>honest, you might as well buy Naill from the beginning
>because odds are that's what you'll upgrade to in a
>year's time. Good luck with whatever you choose.
>
>By the way, stay away from Kron. They just suck
>outright! Should be fun to see all these
>"professionals" out there that are going to compete
>with them this year! I know one here in the states,
>but he sells them, and plays a horribly flat chanter!
>Oh well, a grade 1 piper, I mean, a pro piper, can do
>whatever he likes I guess.
>
>Then again this is all my opinion, and what do I know?
> :)
>
>
>Hal
>
>
>>>Naill's.
>>Thats interesting you say to stay away from the
>>Kintail's, cause I was considering them. Is the
>>quality poor? Someone had also suggested David Booth
>>pipes, any thoughts on those?
>>Also do nickel slides worth it? Do they add
>>durability? Just curious as I am a novice.
>>Thanks for all the help!
>>Steve

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Author:
Hal
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Date Posted: 08:48:55 02/18/02 Mon

Sure they are Dennis, McCarthy right? Yeah, you're the guy that's been playing for about 9 months so of course we can give your opinion the appropriate weight when compared to your vast experience. And please, through your many months of expertise, do tell who these professionals are that are making the switch from Naill.

Here's where he says it's not in good taste to name names!

Thanks for the laugh Dennis, by the way, how's Minstrel Boy coming along, going to be ready for March? You know, it is a different ball game out there out in the cold, marching to tunes you barely have off in the cold. Let's see how the Krons do then, and your fingers for that matter. Sorry all, nothing bothers me more than a beginner who comes on these forums and just repeats what their dealer has told them at the time of sale.


>Krons are probably the best pipe you can buy right
>now. Anyone who says these pipes "suck" obviously has
>ulterior motives. Many top pipers are switching to
>this pipe and they are becoming a hit out here in the
>Pacific NW, a place which has always been considered
>"Naill" country.
>
>
>
>I never met a set of Kintails that wasn't cracked,
>>ugly (in tone and appearance)and made with he same
>>care that one would use to spit out a window driving
>>on the turnpike. To put it bluntly, DON'T!
>>
>>Nickel and silver and these things do nothing but add
>>ornamentation to a pipe. The nickel doesn't improve
>>strength, that wood will crack right underneath it
>>with no problem. As far as Booth goes, nice sound but
>>can be extremely tough to reed and get balanced. And
>>for a beginner like you, you want something you can
>>play without spending hours on set up! A friend of
>>mine had a set of Booths and they served him well, but
>>he sold them 6 months ago for a set of Naills. To be
>>honest, you might as well buy Naill from the beginning
>>because odds are that's what you'll upgrade to in a
>>year's time. Good luck with whatever you choose.
>>
>>By the way, stay away from Kron. They just suck
>>outright! Should be fun to see all these
>>"professionals" out there that are going to compete
>>with them this year! I know one here in the states,
>>but he sells them, and plays a horribly flat chanter!
>>Oh well, a grade 1 piper, I mean, a pro piper, can do
>>whatever he likes I guess.
>>
>>Then again this is all my opinion, and what do I know?
>> :)
>>
>>
>>Hal
>>
>>
>>>>Naill's.
>>>Thats interesting you say to stay away from the
>>>Kintail's, cause I was considering them. Is the
>>>quality poor? Someone had also suggested David Booth
>>>pipes, any thoughts on those?
>>>Also do nickel slides worth it? Do they add
>>>durability? Just curious as I am a novice.
>>>Thanks for all the help!
>>>Steve

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Author:
Geoff
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Date Posted: 09:49:24 02/20/02 Wed

Well, although I think you may have been a bit harsh, I agree with you totally. The problem with ALL online forums is that the door is wide open for inexperienced players to give advice to other inexperienced players. The result: ignorance breeding ignorance. We all know how some manufacturers make a living by selling to the new and misinformed piper. And yes, two of the manufacturers mentioned rather negatively earlier in this thread definitely come to mind when I think misinformed beginners being sold bagpipes. Oh well, if this Deniis fellow has only been playing the short time you claim, then his opinion really isn't worth much. It's like describing the performance and handling of a new car to be good, because the dealer told you it was. Maybe the new pipers should start their statements off with "It's a good pipe because my dealer told me it was..." I personally think the beginners would do well for themselves by listening more and talking less.


>Sure they are Dennis, McCarthy right? Yeah, you're
>the guy that's been playing for about 9 months so of
>course we can give your opinion the appropriate weight
>when compared to your vast experience. And please,
>through your many months of expertise, do tell who
>these professionals are that are making the switch
>from Naill.
>
>Here's where he says it's not in good taste to name
>names!
>
>Thanks for the laugh Dennis, by the way, how's
>Minstrel Boy coming along, going to be ready for
>March? You know, it is a different ball game out
>there out in the cold, marching to tunes you barely
>have off in the cold. Let's see how the Krons do
>then, and your fingers for that matter. Sorry all,
>nothing bothers me more than a beginner who comes on
>these forums and just repeats what their dealer has
>told them at the time of sale.
>
>
>>Krons are probably the best pipe you can buy right
>>now. Anyone who says these pipes "suck" obviously has
>>ulterior motives. Many top pipers are switching to
>>this pipe and they are becoming a hit out here in the
>>Pacific NW, a place which has always been considered
>>"Naill" country.
>>
>>
>>
>>I never met a set of Kintails that wasn't cracked,
>>>ugly (in tone and appearance)and made with he same
>>>care that one would use to spit out a window driving
>>>on the turnpike. To put it bluntly, DON'T!
>>>
>>>Nickel and silver and these things do nothing but add
>>>ornamentation to a pipe. The nickel doesn't improve
>>>strength, that wood will crack right underneath it
>>>with no problem. As far as Booth goes, nice sound but
>>>can be extremely tough to reed and get balanced. And
>>>for a beginner like you, you want something you can
>>>play without spending hours on set up! A friend of
>>>mine had a set of Booths and they served him well,
>but
>>>he sold them 6 months ago for a set of Naills. To be
>>>honest, you might as well buy Naill from the
>beginning
>>>because odds are that's what you'll upgrade to in a
>>>year's time. Good luck with whatever you choose.
>>>
>>>By the way, stay away from Kron. They just suck
>>>outright! Should be fun to see all these
>>>"professionals" out there that are going to compete
>>>with them this year! I know one here in the states,
>>>but he sells them, and plays a horribly flat
>chanter!
>>>Oh well, a grade 1 piper, I mean, a pro piper, can do
>>>whatever he likes I guess.
>>>
>>>Then again this is all my opinion, and what do I
>know?
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>>Hal
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Naill's.
>>>>Thats interesting you say to stay away from the
>>>>Kintail's, cause I was considering them. Is the
>>>>quality poor? Someone had also suggested David
>Booth
>>>>pipes, any thoughts on those?
>>>>Also do nickel slides worth it? Do they add
>>>>durability? Just curious as I am a novice.
>>>>Thanks for all the help!
>>>>Steve

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Author:
Brian MacColl
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Date Posted: 09:54:06 02/20/02 Wed

I couldn't agree more. Nothing like hearing a new piper that just learned Amazing Grace talk about reed manipulation! I learned so much in my first 3 years, just by listening. The only time I spoke was to ask a question.

A fool always speaks his mind, a wise man always minds what he speaks.

Brian


>I personally think the
>beginners would do well for themselves by listening
>more and talking less.
>
>

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Author:
PiperDown
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Date Posted: 16:16:56 02/20/02 Wed

Glad we have so many "experts" in these forums to keep everyone in line.

I appreciate the advice I've gotten from lots of other pipers and know to read everything with an open mind. But these newbies are just excited and eager to spout out what they hear. And chances are they're regurgitating info that they've heard from experienced instructors and pipers.

Just take it lightly and don't be such a condescending ass, Hal, MitchMan,etc. We're all beginners once. Granted, we're all probably better off doing a lot more listening than talking.

>>

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Author:
Brian MacColl
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Date Posted: 20:57:54 02/20/02 Wed

Yes, we were all beginners once, and I had the common sense to just listen. There is absolutely nothing valuable that a beginner piper can offer in the way of information, except maybe the starting times and dates of the local games, I'm sorry. It's like having a college intern offer advice to a 5 year employee on how to run a company...it's good for a laugh.


>Glad we have so many "experts" in these forums to keep
>everyone in line.
>
>I appreciate the advice I've gotten from lots of other
>pipers and know to read everything with an open mind.
>But these newbies are just excited and eager to spout
>out what they hear. And chances are they're
>regurgitating info that they've heard from experienced
>instructors and pipers.
>
>Just take it lightly and don't be such a condescending
>ass, Hal, MitchMan,etc. We're all beginners once.
>Granted, we're all probably better off doing a lot
>more listening than talking.
>
>>>

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Author:
PiperDown
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Date Posted: 20:02:24 02/21/02 Thu

Yea, agreed for the most part. They can usually point out the beer tent as well. Just sticking up for the little guy, I guess.

But seriously, this is just an opinion board. No one is writing a book, just spouting their thoughts. And no one should take anything here as the absolute truth. When I read the various strings, for example regarding popular pipes, I look for majority and common opinions. If everyone has good words for Naill and a few don't, then I tend to believe most people think highly of Naill. But I still like to hear why people don't like Naill, what their negative experience was.

Hell, I'm no expert and am still learning everyday from great pipers whenever I can, as are probably all of us. So I listen a lot more than I advise and maybe someday it will be the other way around.

>
>
>>Glad we have so many "experts" in these forums to keep
>>everyone in line.
>>
>>I appreciate the advice I've gotten from lots of other
>>pipers and know to read everything with an open mind.
>>But these newbies are just excited and eager to spout
>>out what they hear. And chances are they're
>>regurgitating info that they've heard from experienced
>>instructors and pipers.
>>
>>Just take it lightly and don't be such a condescending
>>ass, Hal, MitchMan,etc. We're all beginners once.
>>Granted, we're all probably better off doing a lot
>>more listening than talking.
>>
>>>>

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Author:
PipSqueakPipr
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Date Posted: 01:32:15 02/24/02 Sun

I had to say something in defense of any other newbies out there (I know I cannot be the only one of us who has just been "listening in" for the past four months). Often times threads generate so many posts, and we listen for a majority voice in the thread. There are newbies who realize that manufacturers, salespeople, pipe bands and pipers themselves have their own idea of what to suggest for $1000. Any of us in a pipe band know that the instructors or PM's will suggest one pipe over another because of their experiences. From reading this thread, and reading other threads, Naill has had many "thumbs up" votes. I would surmise Naill pipes would be a good investment. I already have pipes, and Naill they are not. But I would not have gone against my PM's direction, at any time, and order a set he didn't recommend just because of what I read on this forum. He knows how to make his pipes of choice work for the band, that is the bottom line. I cannot imagine how confusing or frustrating it would be to go through pipe purchasing without an instructor or PM to guide you. I think that was the intention of this thread's beginnings and perhaps helpful advice would be greatly appreciated. Now off to something more productive, like practice!

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Author:
Hal
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Date Posted: 11:48:19 02/15/02 Fri

Naill...no matter what model or price!

The price only increases with silver and all the adornments, but the SAME QUALITY OF BLACKWOOD is used for their basic set as on their top-end gold-plated double-cut silver models.

For God sake, just stay away from a pipe like Kron or Kintail.

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Author:
Brian MacColl
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Date Posted: 12:01:33 02/15/02 Fri

Definitely Naill. It will be the first and only pipe you ever buy, unless down the road you want silver then you'll buy a silver Naill. :)


>I will be purchasing some pipes for the first time in
>the near future and have a spending limit of $1000. I
>would like to get the most for my money and would
>appreciate any suggestions anyone might have.
>Thanks
>Steve

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Author:
William Corr
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Date Posted: 14:29:58 02/15/02 Fri

Get a Naill.

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Author:
Hank Delison
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Date Posted: 20:26:59 02/16/02 Sat

Steve, We seem to have some Kintail haters out there. My own opinion is that it depends on you. What your goals in piping are, how far up the grades you hope to go. Are you young enough and talented enough to make it to the cover of the "Piping Times" magizine? Or are your goals more modest, perhaps to be a competent middle rank lower grade band piper. If Oban is your goal, then its more likely then not this will not be the pipe you play there, your tastes will change as you get better. If your goals are the more modest ones, ease of reeding, tuning, playing, durablity might be more important then that wonderful tone open grade pipers produce. You won't be able to produce that tone for a good many years, if ever.
Bottom line here is there are a good many pipemakers producing good quaility pipes at under 1000 bucks. I will suggest talking with your instructor, going to the local band practices and chat with the pipers, the nearest games, we all love to talk about our pipes.
I agree about the silver and such, it doesn't add anything except price to pipes. If you want the name of my and my wifes pipes, e-mail me. They are the best pipes in the world. :-) No need to start a flame war here!
Also stay away fron older vintage pipes, they are trash and treasure, and you aren't experianced enough to tell which is which or even to be able to handle the treasure. I know, my wife had a set of older pipes that sounded great in the hands of our instructor, but she just couldn't handle them. Sold'em.
Good luck
Hank

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Author:
Brian MacColl
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Date Posted: 10:01:48 02/17/02 Sun

Without sounding disrepsectful, I don't agree with you at all, on any points! LOL

With that said, it doesn't depend on him because he is a beginner and he is coming to a forum to try and harvest some opinions from the "been there, done that" people so he maybe can avoid a costly mistake in the future. So by saying it's up to him, the inexperienced beginner, is just the same as telling him pick what's behind door number 1, number 2 or number 3.

Many people hate Kintail because they are garbage, that's a known fact. Any modern Kintail is kindling with a bag on it.

You also brought up about this person's goals, are they modest or is he shooting for the cover of Piping Times...there's no difference. Just because you'll never play at Oban doesn't mean you should settle for a second-rate pipe. If you were buying a car, would you rather it have second-rate suspension because you're not a Baja off-road professional driver? It's the same thing, everyone should strive for, and deserves, the best. Just look at all the top pros, it's either an old Henderson or it's a Naill...no question!

Just wanted to kindly disagree. :)

Brian.


>Steve, We seem to have some Kintail haters out there.
>My own opinion is that it depends on you. What your
>goals in piping are, how far up the grades you hope to
>go. Are you young enough and talented enough to make
>it to the cover of the "Piping Times" magizine? Or
>are your goals more modest, perhaps to be a competent
>middle rank lower grade band piper. If Oban is your
>goal, then its more likely then not this will not be
>the pipe you play there, your tastes will change as
>you get better. If your goals are the more modest
>ones, ease of reeding, tuning, playing, durablity
>might be more important then that wonderful tone open
>grade pipers produce. You won't be able to produce
>that tone for a good many years, if ever.
>Bottom line here is there are a good many pipemakers
>producing good quaility pipes at under 1000 bucks. I
>will suggest talking with your instructor, going to
>the local band practices and chat with the pipers, the
>nearest games, we all love to talk about our pipes.
>I agree about the silver and such, it doesn't add
>anything except price to pipes. If you want the name
>of my and my wifes pipes, e-mail me. They are the
>best pipes in the world. :-) No need to start a
>flame war here!
>Also stay away fron older vintage pipes, they are
>trash and treasure, and you aren't experianced enough
>to tell which is which or even to be able to handle
>the treasure. I know, my wife had a set of older
>pipes that sounded great in the hands of our
>instructor, but she just couldn't handle them.
>Sold'em.
>Good luck
>Hank

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Author:
Hank Delison
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Date Posted: 21:20:14 02/17/02 Sun

Steve; It's your money and they will be your pipes, so yes it does depend on you, you can get all the advice you want, it's still going to be your decision. That's what I'm saying. Get names, ideas, and possiblites wherever you can. Myself, I suggest looking at the pipes in person, that's all. Up close and personal. I know it's hard to play a stand of pipes when you first start out, so just stand next to someone else when they play, look real hard, talk to other pipers in person. Listen, go to the games and stand close to the grade one pipers, try to hear the different sounds they produce. Go to the grade 4 area, listen to their sound. If you find a piper with a sound you like, find out what he or she plays, including the reeds. Talk to them, even the grade one pipers are friendly, or at least if approched right.
My opinon of old pipes is that they are rather like wine, some vintages are great, some not so good. Also, what kind of care the pipes have had through the years counts a lot also.
Brian, You seem to have strong opinions about Nail,and Kintail, I refuse to get into a flame war with you. In fact just last night I was at the local pipers club and saw Jack Lee play what I believe were his full silver Nails. Very nice. But then I've heard Alasdair Gillies, and I think he plays Lawries. I've heard Ann Gray, Bruce Gandy, various others at the local pipers club, and they don't all play Nails or Hendersons either. Nail makes the currently popular solo chanter, but drones seem to vary piper to piper.
And being able to put the bucks on the table only means you can afford to buy the pipes. Not that you deserve the pipes.
Hank

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Author:
Brian MacColl
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Date Posted: 08:59:59 02/18/02 Mon

hehehehe, okay, I won't get nasty because you seem very nice. But next time, talk with them don't just hear them play or listen to what you overhear in the crowd. There are more Naills in that bunch than you think. And Aladair recently kicked in a full set of silver Naills recently. Sounds like you're a Kintail owner, I hope to God you got one before 1983! If not, well let me know, I probably know a very good Naill dealer in your area, or go to Home Depot and stock up on carpenter's glue. All in good fun. :)

When it's all said and done, I honestly don't care what anyone else plays, really I don't. I actually prefer to go up against non-Naill players in competition it increases my chance to win by about 50%. But hey, if you're happy great, anyone not just you Hank, we wouldn't know it if you weren't because most people don't advertise that they got screwed on an inferior pipe.



>Steve; It's your money and they will be your pipes,
>so yes it does depend on you, you can get all the
>advice you want, it's still going to be your decision.
> That's what I'm saying. Get names, ideas, and
>possiblites wherever you can. Myself, I suggest
>looking at the pipes in person, that's all. Up close
>and personal. I know it's hard to play a stand of
>pipes when you first start out, so just stand next to
>someone else when they play, look real hard, talk to
>other pipers in person. Listen, go to the games and
>stand close to the grade one pipers, try to hear the
>different sounds they produce. Go to the grade 4
>area, listen to their sound. If you find a piper with
>a sound you like, find out what he or she plays,
>including the reeds. Talk to them, even the grade one
>pipers are friendly, or at least if approched right.
>My opinon of old pipes is that they are rather like
>wine, some vintages are great, some not so good.
>Also, what kind of care the pipes have had through the
>years counts a lot also.
>Brian, You seem to have strong opinions about Nail,and
>Kintail, I refuse to get into a flame war with you.
>In fact just last night I was at the local pipers club
>and saw Jack Lee play what I believe were his full
>silver Nails. Very nice. But then I've heard
>Alasdair Gillies, and I think he plays Lawries. I've
>heard Ann Gray, Bruce Gandy, various others at the
>local pipers club, and they don't all play Nails or
>Hendersons either. Nail makes the currently popular
>solo chanter, but drones seem to vary piper to piper.
>And being able to put the bucks on the table only
>means you can afford to buy the pipes. Not that you
>deserve the pipes.
>Hank

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Author:
Stormy
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Date Posted: 16:16:13 02/20/02 Wed

A few names mentioned and out of them I would go for Naill.
Why, because I've heard good reports.

However if you want the sales pitch then how about a set of Sinclair's. All my days I have never played anything other than a Sinclair chanter, and bought my Sinclair pipes in 1982 and they helped me when I was with the "polis" and won 6-in-a-row!
"Ye canny whack them!"

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Author:
TL
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Date Posted: 18:50:09 02/20/02 Wed

>I will be purchasing some pipes for the first time in
>the near future and have a spending limit of $1000. I
>would like to get the most for my money and would
>appreciate any suggestions anyone might have.
>Thanks
>Steve
From God`s lips to Hal,Brian and Geoff`s ears only the old seasoned,grizzled piper knows of what he speaks. So let us not give an opinion that conflicts with theirs.And it is nice to know that Naill and vintage Henderson pipes are the only good pipes on the market.I guess all those other makers can stop manufacturing any time now.Just think Naill and Henderson,Naill and Henderson,etc.,etc.I feel so relieved now........gratefully yours,TL

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Author:
Hal
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Date Posted: 20:53:48 02/20/02 Wed

See TL, you get it! Everyone should just stop, Naill and Henderson are it.


>>I will be purchasing some pipes for the first time in
>>the near future and have a spending limit of $1000. I
>>would like to get the most for my money and would
>>appreciate any suggestions anyone might have.
>>Thanks
>>Steve
>From God`s lips to Hal,Brian and Geoff`s ears only the
>old seasoned,grizzled piper knows of what he speaks.
>So let us not give an opinion that conflicts with
>theirs.And it is nice to know that Naill and vintage
>Henderson pipes are the only good pipes on the
>market.I guess all those other makers can stop
>manufacturing any time now.Just think Naill and
>Henderson,Naill and Henderson,etc.,etc.I feel so
>relieved now........gratefully yours,TL

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Author:
Hank Delison
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Date Posted: 00:47:41 02/21/02 Thu

And so, I fold my tent, pack my non/Kintail,non/Nail, non/Kron pipes away, turn and slowly fade back into that dark night of ignorance and incompetance from whence I came.
But wait, slowly I turn and humbly in but a whisper ask; Is it the piper or the pipes that make the magic?
Hank

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Author:
Brian MacColl
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Date Posted: 09:11:20 02/21/02 Thu

Nice imagery! Glad you don't have a Kintail or Kron. And by the way 2 L's in NaiLL! Show some respect man! lol :)


>And so, I fold my tent, pack my non/Kintail,non/Nail,
>non/Kron pipes away, turn and slowly fade back into
>that dark night of ignorance and incompetance from
>whence I came.
>But wait, slowly I turn and humbly in but a whisper
>ask; Is it the piper or the pipes that make the magic?
>Hank

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Author:
TL
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Date Posted: 20:10:58 02/21/02 Thu

>See TL, you get it! Everyone should just stop, Naill
>and Henderson are it.
>No,no,no Hal I don`t get it,but I`m sure you knew that.I have 2 sets neither of which are Naill nor Henderson and I`m happy with my choices.No one or two makers are the best for everyone the way vanilla or chocolate aren`t the only flavors for everyone.And I agree with Hank that the player may have more than a little influence on how those pipes perform.A player who knows what he doing with,say,a set of Kintail is more likely to sound better than someone who doesn`t know the instrument with a set of your favorite Naill or Henderson.Choice is what we all want so why narrow it down to only a couple of makers,there are good pipes and bad pipes from alot of makers including you know who...Naill&Henderson,Naill&Henderson,etc,etc....TL
>
>>>I will be purchasing some pipes for the first time in
>>>the near future and have a spending limit of $1000.
>I
>>>would like to get the most for my money and would
>>>appreciate any suggestions anyone might have.
>>>Thanks
>>>Steve
>>From God`s lips to Hal,Brian and Geoff`s ears only the
>>old seasoned,grizzled piper knows of what he speaks.
>>So let us not give an opinion that conflicts with
>>theirs.And it is nice to know that Naill and vintage
>>Henderson pipes are the only good pipes on the
>>market.I guess all those other makers can stop
>>manufacturing any time now.Just think Naill and
>>Henderson,Naill and Henderson,etc.,etc.I feel so
>>relieved now........gratefully yours,TL

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Author:
Kimberly
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Date Posted: 02:03:12 02/21/02 Thu

>I will be purchasing some pipes for the first time in
>the near future and have a spending limit of $1000. I
>would like to get the most for my money and would
>appreciate any suggestions anyone might have.
>Thanks
>Steve




I'd have to agree with the Naill and Hendersen bit. BUT, correct me if I'm wrong guys, I think it would be very hard to find a good set of Naills or Hendersen's for $1000 or less.

Since Steve is looking for pipes in that price range, here's some that I know are descent pipes for that price:

McCallum makes a good pipe for between $900-$1000. Good drone tone and I really like the chanter! I know a grade 2 band that plays all McCallum chanters and is having their junior members all purchase McCallum pipes when they need pipes. So I think that says a lot about how those pipes sound. I'd recommend going this route.

I also think Gibson makes a good pipe for that price. Nice base drone sound, good overall balance. I am a big fan of this pipe! Nice sound! MacCloud of Glasgow is descent too. I can't think of any more at the moment.

Stay away from Kintails, Krons and in my opinion Shepards too. I've never been a fan of Shepard...can't stand those reeds and just don't like the tone of the drones. I had an open piper tell me that he thought Hardies are made in Pakistan...if this is true stay away from those too!

I hope this helps! Happy hunting!
Kimberly

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Author:
John Mitchell
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Date Posted: 14:13:56 02/21/02 Thu

Wow, I just checked in on the Voy to see if it was still alive and it's good to see there is some Lively conversation going on! That's my cup of tea! LOL

Here's my thoughts on buying pipes for the beginner!

Work with a reputable dealer who will let you try various makes and take care of any problems that might occur down the road.

Until a beginner develops their ear for tone, it really doesn't matter what pipes they start off with as they will all sound the same anyway. Hopefully they'll be smart enough to buy a set of Gibson pipes to save them the bother of having to look for a good sounding set down the road.

15 expert players just played my Gibson pipes this weekend at a Saturday and Sunday session night on the Queen Mary, there wasn't one player who didn't like the tone of the pipes and all played longer than what they traditionally would have played because they really enjoyed performing on these pipes.

The main comment, "That is one hell of a good set of sounding pipes you gave there!"

That's what I've been saying for the past 12 years about Gibson! Yes, you can go with the masses and buy a popular brand, or you can stand out in the crowd and blow them all away with a set of Gibson pipes.

And for God sakes, don't listen to any pro piper selling bagpipes, They are sales people, it's their job to be nice and helpful too!

Cheers

John Mitchell

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Author:
Brian MacColl
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Date Posted: 11:05:28 02/22/02 Fri

I agree Gibson is a good pipe as well. But thank goodness they changed that awful translucent ivory to something a little more appealing. Doesn't affect the tone, I know, but there are some aesthetic issues surrounding the piping world. It was a good change.



>Wow, I just checked in on the Voy to see if it was
>still alive and it's good to see there is some Lively
>conversation going on! That's my cup of tea! LOL
>
>Here's my thoughts on buying pipes for the beginner!
>
>Work with a reputable dealer who will let you try
>various makes and take care of any problems that might
>occur down the road.
>
>Until a beginner develops their ear for tone, it
>really doesn't matter what pipes they start off with
>as they will all sound the same anyway. Hopefully
>they'll be smart enough to buy a set of Gibson pipes
>to save them the bother of having to look for a good
>sounding set down the road.
>
>15 expert players just played my Gibson pipes this
>weekend at a Saturday and Sunday session night on the
>Queen Mary, there wasn't one player who didn't like
>the tone of the pipes and all played longer than what
>they traditionally would have played because they
>really enjoyed performing on these pipes.
>
>The main comment, "That is one hell of a good set of
>sounding pipes you gave there!"
>
>That's what I've been saying for the past 12 years
>about Gibson! Yes, you can go with the masses and buy
>a popular brand, or you can stand out in the crowd and
>blow them all away with a set of Gibson pipes.
>
>And for God sakes, don't listen to any pro piper
>selling bagpipes, They are sales people, it's their
>job to be nice and helpful too!
>
>Cheers
>
>John Mitchell

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Author:
Kimberly
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Date Posted: 01:08:41 02/25/02 Mon

Glad to see that others are fans of Gibson! I got mine about 3 years ago and I love them! And I too get huge compliments on their sound everywhere I go! It's just too bad they didn't have that nicer faux-ivory mount when I got mine. Oh well!

Kimberly

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