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Date Posted: 22:50:39 06/29/09 Mon
Author: KH
Subject: Well here we go with Episode 4 already. What did everyone think? There were alot of different storylines going on last night and packed into one episode...

First off we'll start with my/our favorite character Denise. Man my heart just breaks for her. I mean we all know that what she did was wrong, but she sure is going through it from all ends. I'm a little put off by Claudia Joy and her comments to Denise. If Claudia Joy hadn't run into Denise at the market, she still wouldn't have made an attempt to talk to Denise no matter if she's not sure what to say to her or not. And I've never seen Claudia Joy at a loss for words (on any subject...LOL). It was very enlightening when Claudia Joy said she's been running it through her mind trying to make sense of what Denise did and why and Denise answering back "That makes two of us." Ummm, light bulb moment Claudia Joy, if her friends had bothered to confront her and talk to her after it all came out, they might have understood things and Denise better. I don't see Denise thinking she's the victim at all, she's expressed regret and remorse a few times now, especially her statement to Roland, "My God what have I done." I'm a bit put out by her so called friends at this moment. I'm glad she's at least got Roland. And I'm sorry folks, but I can't even draw up one bit of sympathy for Frank. To me he seems more put out and ticked off by the fact that he had to come home to deal with it than he is about the affair. I just see no emotion of hurt or sadness from him, just the usual stoic, crabby, ticked off attitude he always has. And while I understand him feeling hurt and angry, he didn't even make an attempt to talk to her, he just asked his question and told her to leave and then says "let me know where you are so we can get the lawyers started on this." Franky my boy, your still not on my list...LOL. If I may I have to agree with Jubellant's description of Frank from down below so I'd like to copy it here. "Frank is a hot head. He reacts to situations first, then backtracks. Denise's nursing career, his caveman attitude then he buys balloons, Jeremy he tosses out on his ear, then goes to see him at bootcamp, drives off re: Getti's kiss news, then agrees to go to counselling. It is amazing he has survived combat if he goes charging in before he has fully analysed the situation and hasn't got a clue as to the consequences. Frank is out of his element communication-wise and only knows how to take charge even if he has not fully grasped the situation. TS's take on flexibility is hilarious it is more of he being backed into a corner with little options but to accept what is happening or bail." I agree Jubellant.

Claudia Joy, Michael and Emmalyn. A bit of the same old same old there dealing with Emmalyn's moods and rebellion. My Mom and I were joking last night that if we see and hear Claudia Joy walk through the house and yell "Emmalyn" one more time we might scream as well...LOL. And a quick question here for you, Michael just got a promotion to brigadere General not that long ago and now all of a sudden he's been promoted again to a 2 star General, doesn't that seem a bit odd and fast?

Pamela got to move into her new house and I think Roxy was a bit sad and a bit jealous eventhough she later worked it through. I did crack up when Roxy, Trevor and the kids went over to Pamela's house for dinner and Roxy said, "Give me a beer, I want to pee in each one of her bathrooms"...LOL.

Roland has a new job and can get back to really helping people. Good for him, but I'm not to sure about this Price fellow. Something doesn't set well with me about him and I can't quite put my finger on it. And Joan chose to deploy over staying on and being Michaels second in command. I think this is something that both Roland and Joan are going to have to adjust to and Joan might find it a bit more difficult when the time comes for her to leave. But in any case, she made her decision, but I'm wondering if something doesn't come up or happen to change that. Maybe the demise of Evan Connor...LOL.

Another great episode and of course as usual I can't wait for next weeks episode to get here.

Take Care!
KH :o)

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[> And Oh My Gosh, how could I forget about Lucky the dog. What a little sweetie he is! I know Jeremy was really sad to see him leave, but I just have this feeling we'll be seeing cutie pootie Lucky again. :o) -- KH, 22:52:56 06/29/09 Mon

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[> Thanks KH for another well stated recap that is much appreciated. I even rated a quote!!! Thanks, I feel like a celebrity LOL! (Inside) -- Jubellant, 00:56:16 06/30/09 Tue

Seriously though, reading several comments from various sources how would feel if I found out while away on a successful business trip that my spouse had been up to some extra marital activity and everyone knew. Frank has been on the job for at least 20 years and it seems he is just on the brink of moving up in the ranks as he explained to Denise when he was a having a hissy fit about her not attending a military function of his. Then he manages to gain the confidence of his CO on a risky mission and then he is blindsided by his wife's (who just needed some space) actions. Who knows if he even knew how he was going to react. The first time around he removed himself and this time he gave his wife the boot. In spite of it all he had told Jeremy she was still his mother and to treat her with respect. I feel for Jeremy on that front that everyone knows about his mother's indiscretion and also the comment made by a fellow soldier that he has a girl back home versus some stray dog. I have not seen the last part as to expression etc on both their parts Denise/Frank. I look forward to see if my opinion changes. I don't know if it is a pride thing for Denise to just keep putting on a brave face and take one step at a time but this I don't know if I loved him wrt Getti and her not being able to understand her actions wrt Mac just has me befuddled. It's as if she has no will or choice in the matter. CJ stood up for Denise once before with Michael and again this time about 2nd chances. So CJ feels awkward around Denise right now. She might be avoiding Denise because she feels angry about Denise's choices and does not want to say something out of anger that just will add fuel to Denise's growing forest fire. Denise herself was avoiding Roland when she first suspected he might have had an affair on Joan, so her anger at CJ is a bit hypocritical.

That said someone also mentioned that Roxy and Pamela seemed to be all, we wives have to stick together, when it came to Marilyn's affair. Roxy even sat with her at some outdoor function. Frank has been kicked publically in the gut twice by his wife. Now while he might liked to have dealt with things privately, it is out in the open. Surely ego is playing a big factor at the present time. I do not like seeing Denise being treated like a pariah but on the other hand I don't comprehend her sleeping with Mac besides the fact that it was written in the script. She was not very discreet with either attraction. Frank is Frank. To salvage any part of this marriage he is going to have to step out of his comfort zone and let go. He talks about respect with his son but for his part he is so dismissive of anything Denise tries to tell him. He is slow as it usually takes him awhile to get it and then a light bulb finally illuminates and he gets it. She is his trophy wife, smart and beautiful. Instead of supporting her, he tries to control and stifle her. It is all about his needs and until he realizes that, he is bound for more heartache. I did see hurt in his eyes on his way home and almost a forlorn look. He did not want to go home I think because as long as he was not there he could pretend the rumours were not true. The first counselling session was done before either of them was in a place to accept it. Frank was still too hurt and Denise was still too resentful to be truly receptive about examining their relationship in an honest way. Denise kind of blew everyone off when they came rushing to defend her so she could go meet her precious Mac. Pamela knows what it is like to feel tempted and she probably wants to stay far away from that can of worms thinking, but for the Grace of God it could have been me. I feel for both Franks and Dee as neither are bad people, just products of their upbringing. They are both at fault and Denise frustrates me as much as Frank does at this point. And no I have not forgotten Frank finding himself in a situation and then staying the night to TALK with someone who obviously had no respect for his views on marriage and vows. So think about that as you play the I've been so wrong done by husband, Frank.

Emmalin continues to press on my nerves. I detest rudeness and disrespect from a minor. I am happy for Pamela getting her new home. The kids not wanting to leave was priceless.

I've already said my bit about the newest cast hunk LUCKY. What a cutie.

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[> [> You've been quoted Jubellant, you are now a celebrity...LOL! Also could you explain to me what your last sentence is in the first paragraph. I may be a bit dense, but I 'm not sure what you're trying to say. :o) -- KH, 01:06:50 06/30/09 Tue

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[> [> [> When Roland met up with Denise in Season One, when Roland says to Denise she didn't return his calls she said she had a busy day and he asks her if she is free for lunch and she says she has to get home cause Frank might call and Roland presses her by asking if something was wrong and she tells him she ran into Joan and she had the impression that he had an affair. I was drawing a parallel about how she felt awkward about seeing Roland and was trying to avoid him and how now when CJ is doing the same thing until confronted, Denise gets on her high horse. At the time CJ was going through alot and she had already stood up for Denise once already to Michael and now Denise continues her behaviour but this time follows through with her desires. Even though she said she was his friend and she supported him she still initially tried to avoid him. Hope that clarifies things a bit KH. -- Jubellant(So are you dense or am I incoherent?), 02:06:33 06/30/09 Tue

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[> [> [> [> No, I got that part I meant the last sentence of the first paragraph in regards to Frank. -- KH, 02:24:55 06/30/09 Tue

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[> [> Is it the part that about Frank removing himself? He went to stay at the Officer's quarters when Denise wanted her space as he found it too hard to be around her and act naturally. This time around IMO he probably was like well this time I need space from you and you can be the one on the outside this time. Hope this is what you are referring to. Again I may change my opinion when I actually see that last scene played out which I have not. Just got to the part where Denise stands up as she sees the headlights in the living room. I am anxiously waiting until this is all squared away as I want to know how someone takes their core values and tosses them out the window on someone they don't even love. I just lost my mind, and not understanding one's own behaviour is lame writing. I want to see how they get Pandora back in the box on this one. -- Jubellant, 02:41:13 06/30/09 Tue

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[> [> [> Oh Gosh Jubellant, I really am dense, no it's actually the last sentence of the 2nd paragrah...LOL. I'll get it right eventually...LOL. -- KH, 02:59:40 06/30/09 Tue

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[> [> [> [> Okay gotcha, LOL. Actually it is a bit cryptic. I am talking to Frank telling him to mull over his own actions as he plays the long suffering one who feels he has been so wronged by his wife's actions! Okay are we on the same page or I should say paragraph now? LOL!. -- Jubellant (They say third time Lucky. Hey isn't that a dog we know?), 03:16:30 06/30/09 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> Yeah, we are on the same page and paragraph now, LOL. Gotcha! Take Care! :o) -- KH, 03:43:18 06/30/09 Tue

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[> My thoughts on the episode . . . (inside) -- Ciara, 15:21:45 06/30/09 Tue

My heart just absolutely broke for Denise. She is so alone and lost. She knows she screwed up her life royally and has no clue why. Her girl friends have all but abandoned her. I'm hoping that maybe she'll talk to Roland or ask him to recommend someone she can talk to. I can't help but wonder if they'll (the writers) will come up with something on the lines of PTSD for Denise. Let's face it, all of her really out of character behavior all started after the Hump Bar bombing. Remember when she said how helpless she felt and she didn't react quick enough. Perhaps if someone suggests that to Frank, he'd be more willing to listen and not just dismiss her. Let's face it, if it has to do w/war or combat, Frank will listen. Maybe if someone suggests to Frank that Denise has been suffering since almost being blown up that he'll consider listening or working through this.

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[> [> Good point one I kinda of thought about last year too. Also Denise had been physically abused by her son and emotionally abused by her husband for years. He generally barks at her and berates anything she has to say. She looked so happy when she thought he was coming to terms with her motorcycle and then he goes and lets fly his I let you remark that just crushed her spirit. She was a battered woman and I think she just reached her breaking point. Yes she loved/loves Frank but I think she was beginning to resent him bigtime and view him as being her oppressor. Sooner or later one has to break out and Denise went on a rebellious self destructive streak. I really can't wait to her what comes out as they try to work through things. -- Jubellant, 16:01:22 06/30/09 Tue

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[> [> Good thoughts Ciara, I've been thinking along these lines myself. We'll have to see what the writers do and how they handle it. I just don't know I'm hoping they don't continue on the poor Frank the amazing soldier who risks his life and look what his awful wife did. They really need to handle this well and realistically because Denise is a wonderful, intellegent, beautiful, loving and loyal woman and to just have her go wacko like that makes no sense. I am just of the opinion that the old writers from last season were just so bent on Denise having an affair, they weren't letting that idea go no matter what. They killed off Ghetti and thought hey, people liked Mac so we'll use him. I just feel they had a great opportunity to show a repressed/obused woman go through and amazing growth and awakening in a really amazing way and they took the cheap way out. It's really too bad, but they went there and now we have to see how the new writers are going to fix it. Take Care! :o) -- KH, 16:35:30 06/30/09 Tue

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[> [> [> Well said KH ITA! Denise was a dignified character and to debase it with a cheap affair was so unfair not only to the character but the viewers as well. It was an insult to our intelligence and ramming this SL through when it was just so illogical and for what purpose was beyond me. We were already on board cheering this individual's courage to break free, struggle to stay faithful and then to risk it all by romping with Mac (of all people) totally was a leap into fantasyland!! How does one get their dignity back? They better do a credible job of fixing the mess they created. -- Jubellant, 17:42:16 06/30/09 Tue

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[> First off I have been sticking up for Frank since season 1 but Sunday nite I wanted to throttle him!!!!!!!! I REALLY thought he would think about him and D when he was talking w. that young soldier (which for a second I thought I was Mikey from JAG!)....I actually was nervous for D when Frank was coming home. When he treated her that way- oh boy I just wanted to reach into the screen and hug her :( Yes Frank is hurt and he has the right to feel that but not acting like a complete jerk. As for CJ, I dont know but I thought that was a low blow- "getting fired for cheating on her husband". Yes D made a HUGE mistake but cmon they have to move past this and forgive her. But most importantly D needs to forgive herself. more inside... -- Kristen, 16:08:45 06/30/09 Tue

Roxy and Trevor are cute but they get on my nerves at times. Michael has been acting like a jerk too- judging D and treating Emmalin that way- Emmalin being a brat yes but I am so sick of hearing "typical teenager stuff"- that s a cry out for help and they better help soon!!! Roland- WAY to go Doc :-) Joan I can understand why she chose to return but at the same time I am sad for her lil family.

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[> Okay, so this is another thing that bugs me w/Frank and Jeremy in regards to Denise. Jeremy seems all kinds of pissed at his mother for what he's heard. I did like that Frank told him that she's still his mom and to respect her. Now if he would just respect her! But Jeremy, come on - you physically abused your mom and what did she do - forgave you and never held it against you. (more inside) -- Ciara, 19:04:38 06/30/09 Tue

And the same goes for Frank too where someone mentioned how he's gotten over Jeremy's abuse of his mom and is able to forgive him but not even willing to listen to Denise. That just bugs me. Who knows, maybe they will go to counseling and work through all this. As much as Frank really ticks me off right now, I just can't get the thought of how Denise seduced him in the first season when she wanted sex and didn't know how to ask him. And actually, if you take all those little things in from the first season, their whole marriage seems to have been on Frank's terms.

Also, (I'm on a roll can you tell), I hope it comes out that Frank almost cheated as well. I know he stopped before it went too far but he was kissing her. I really think that needs to come to light. Done for now, I think!

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[> [> Nice points. Even though Frank eventually forgave Jeremy it was not right away. The thing about Denise's fling is, it is not a private family matter or even something known by a select few. That is why Denise was so upset about the inability to contain this. She felt as if a scarlet A was attached to her forehead in terms of Getti, and that wasn't even common knowledge. I can only imagine how she feels now! I really dislike what the writers did to Denise's dignity. I can see why JenniferM threw in the towel. Mac would have divorced Ragle and Denise would have divorced Frank. They are both principled people. I hate it when they treat fans as imbeciles and expect us to fall for such implausible SL's hook line and sinker without a realistic credible reason for outrageous behaviour. I am hanging in there because it is CB and I love the tribe, but Really! -- Jubellant, 21:43:40 06/30/09 Tue

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I enjoy your take KH. Keep it up. -- Manel, 06:14:00 07/02/09 Thu

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[> Re: Well here we go with Episode 4 already. What did everyone think? There were alot of different storylines going on last night and packed into one episode... -- Violet (Just Thinking), 09:32:41 07/03/09 Fri

Thanks KH, enjoyed reading. I was wondering, but no one mentioned the fact that Frank spent the night in the Lady Officers quarters, and Jeremy saw both coming out the next morning, could this possibly be used in Frank and Denises' counseling if Jeremy happened to put a little bug in his Mothers' ear?

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[> [> Hi Violet! I have a feeling that they're just going to sweep Frank's indiscretion under the rug. Frank reminised in his mind about the kiss, but he never told Jeremy that they kissed and layed down on the bed. All he told Jeremy was that she spent the night there, but all they did was just talk, he said it was inappropriate, but all they did was talk. He lied by omission. I'll be very surprised if they bring his indiscretion up at all. I'm not sure why they changed their mind on Frank's affair, especially after Deb Spera said in a interview last year that Frank did have an affair and that she was his awakening and that he had needs too. I have my suspisions as to why they changed. With Frank being a soldier, double standard and all. We'll just have to wait and see what happens. Take Care! :o) -- KH, 15:37:02 07/03/09 Fri

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[> [> What seems bizarre to me is that Frank and Denise were so worried about telling Jeremy they were seperated but they both carried out behaviours far more damaging to his ability to focus on his war tasks. Everyone knows about his mother and I can just hear the comments and he sees his Dad in a questionable circumstance. So much for worrying about their son! As for SL backtracking, I think they realized the fans are fed up with the affairs angle. There are so many more compelling issues to deal with and cheating is a big turn off. They should have heeded CB and just not have gone there with her character. Getti was interesting and we saw Denise be the person we knew she was by struggling to do the right thing. The Mac thing was beyond belief IMO. Now they are scrambling like crazy to rectify this mess. -- Jubellant, 19:30:53 07/03/09 Fri

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