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Date Posted: 05:49:15 12/17/14 Wed
Author: fionaj
Subject: I love hearing/seeing things through William's thoughts. He's learning a great deal about his father...and himself, now.
In reply to: Swarl 's message, "Quote of the Day for Wednesday, December 17, 2014 - - Swarl" on 05:43:47 12/17/14 Wed


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[> Sad, though, that his first thought is that Jamie is a criminal like Jane. It's a bit of snobbery he's begun to get over, in taking care of Jane and Franny, but he's still inclined to think along class lines. He's a very confused young man. -- kgp, 06:22:02 12/17/14 Wed


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[> [> True. It seems [and I hope] that's one of the things he's learning about himself. If so, I give him credit...many people never get there. [Good to see you, kgp! :-)] -- fionaj, 06:26:08 12/17/14 Wed


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[> [> [> Good to see you, also fionaj! -- kgp, 06:29:37 12/17/14 Wed


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[> [> I think it's very fitting with the time period and his upbringing that Willie thinks about class distinctions. He's a British Earl, brought up as such. He would think in terms of class distinction today, much more in the 18th century. And he probably always will. Even Claire and Jamie do, in a way -- I recall a passage where Claire thinks Jamie's a "gentleman". What William still has to master -- and Jamie already had, when we met him -- is the fine art of not letting class distinction cloud his judgement and affect the way he relates with other people. -- Rita, 06:44:53 12/17/14 Wed


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[> [> [> Hi Rita, I agree, it's totally understandable for the times. Remember John's response when Brianna asked him about Jamie perhaps marrying Geneva, if they had loved one another [ABOSAA, ch.116]? "Where in the name of God were you raised?" [LOL!] I think one thing that has helped Jamie is the fact that as a Scot and a Highlander under British rule, he was not at the top of the hierarchy. That's one extra hurdle Willie will have to overcome. -- fionaj, 07:25:27 12/17/14 Wed


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[> [> [> [> First though, Willie has to redefine his self-image and accept that. He's still an Earl but no longer a "Yorkshiremen back to the flood". He also doesn't know Jamie's full history - that he had been a Laird of a small estate and responsible for people, his full military resume, and that he was received at court in France. He knows he was a groom, but does he know how he came to be one? He knows he's a rebel and had been a General at the last battle. I'm looking forward to his education. -- kgp, 07:30:44 12/17/14 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> Me, too! I wonder if he'll ever find out the circumstances of Jaime and John's first meeting. I'm thinking this will prove to be a verra interesting and entertaing story thread! :-) -- fionaj, 08:10:09 12/17/14 Wed


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[> [> [> [> [> PS: And I think we should not forget the one French great granny---that's definitely in his DNA. -- fionaj, 08:20:21 12/17/14 Wed


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[> [> [> [> [> [> French Great-granny? -- kgp, 09:10:08 12/17/14 Wed


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh...it might be nothing, but in that conversation at BG Fraser's bedside [Echo, ch.66] William does say "No, Yorkshiremen back to the Flood on both sides, save one French great-grandmother". And >>>>> -- fionaj, 09:37:54 12/17/14 Wed

[this is connected in my brain, though I have no real reason for thinking it is connected in reality ;-)] in Brotherhood of the Blade, when John is searching the Dunsanys' house for the chapel on the night before Geneva is buried, he mentions that Geneva herself had shown it to him, and "it dated from a much earlier century, when the Viscounts of the Wastwater had been Catholic, and it had been disused for years." I guess "French" and "Catholic" just rang some bells for me.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> YNK - Diana pulls stuff out of nothing sometimes so it could be significant. -- kgp, 10:17:29 12/17/14 Wed


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Thanks! I'm gratified to learn that I may not be completely bonkers! -- fionaj, 10:22:56 12/17/14 Wed


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> What if the Great Grandmother was a Beauchamp? -- kgp, 12:35:34 12/17/14 Wed


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> That would be intriguing, no? ...guess we'll just have to wait and see what DG conjers... -- fionaj, 12:43:32 12/17/14 Wed


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[> [> I think William is so taken aback that Jamie is willing to help him because William thinks it's important, that he tries to find some excuse that would make Jamie do it. William doesn't think of himself, he thinks it is because of the girl, a criminal, not for the sake of William himself. -- LisaW, 10:09:36 12/17/14 Wed


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