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Date Posted: 08:08:54 05/05/10 Wed
Author: Pollsketeers
Subject: WELCOME to the MAY POLL

May is Mother's Day month. Once again we have decided to do an open poll. So, here is this month's question:

What is your favorite MOTHER/DAUGHTER moment in the series?

Remember, just mothers! No Jamie in this question!! Have fun and the poll will close in approximately 7 days.

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[> This is an easy one for me. When Bree goes back to find her parents, Claire comes out of the house to find Bree and Jamie together and Bree gives her mother a big bear hug. Claire never expected to see the child she had with Jamie ever again. Finally, they are all together. So, I guess you could call it the reunion of Claire and Bree in the 1700's! -- Rollaine, 08:12:31 05/05/10 Wed


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[> [> Ditto for me. Jamie (LOL, worked him in) and Bree cooked up such a wonderful surprise by just sitting there waiting for Claire to some out. Loved it. -- jayn, 08:17:21 05/05/10 Wed


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[> [> [> Ditto! -- ladyphantom, 09:01:58 05/05/10 Wed


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[> [> Ditto for me too! -- Cait, 12:27:32 05/05/10 Wed


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[> [> Ditto, this is also the scene where Brianna say "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" I love that. -- Lady Oliver, 08:13:17 05/06/10 Thu


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[> I'm not sure of favorite, but the most touching is when Claire won't let Brianna and her tacky dress go through the Stones. -- 'becca, 08:58:54 05/05/10 Wed


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[> So touching -- Lady Linda, 11:06:32 05/05/10 Wed

Don't mean to make anyone sad but I always remember Claire (in DIA)holding Faith and looking at her "fawn shaped ears" thinking they were so like Jamie's only to be told by Mother that all pre term babies' ears were shaped like that.

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[> I get emotional when Claire remembers and talks about Faith, the child she lost. -- CarolSR, 11:14:45 05/05/10 Wed


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[> To me, the only realistic mother/daughter situation in the Outlander Series is when Claire holds her stillborn daughter, Faith, in her arms. Also, twenty years later, when she puts the flower on Faith's grave. (Nothing about Claire and Brianna has ever felt authentic to me.) -- Lemora, 12:07:08 05/05/10 Wed


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[> [> LOL, Lemora! Even though it isn't a happy moment, one authentic seeming interaction between them was when Brianna threw the poker through the window glass after learning about Jamie. Now--I've experienced moments of anger that great and wished I had something to throw (although more at my Dad than my Mom!). That kind of anger is fortunately rare but it seemed real to me! :-) -- KathleenM, 19:52:34 05/05/10 Wed


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[> [> [> This made me think that Brianna was a javelin thrower during track and field season at her high school. -- shy gal, 07:03:53 05/07/10 Fri


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[> [> [> KathleenM>>>> -- Lemora, 15:29:11 05/09/10 Sun

My friend's daughter did precisely the same thing in anger at her father! My first thought was, "What a brat! Claire, you and Jamie gave up each other for THIS!?" Then, I thought about that century-old Victorian glass window being ruined by this jerk of a daughter, and replaced with modern glass that lacks the same quality. But, my reaction was more I-don't-like-her than,"how typical!" I was also seeing where the story was headed, with Bree and Roger being set up for romance, and I've never thought it was a good idea to marry the first guy you sleep with: And then, they didn't "Do It!" Which felt totally unrealistic to me, also. And it was the sixties, but apart from having Brianna say "groovy" once or twice, absolutely no attempt at verisimilitude in the period was attempted. But, this entire plot direction never made any sense to me, and felt inauthentic in characterization and tone.

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[> [> [> [> And I have the exact same feelings for Willie as you do for Bree. No authenticity for me at all. Oh well... -- Rollaine, 15:33:48 05/09/10 Sun


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[> [> [> [> [> Lemora>>> -- KathleenM, 19:13:05 05/09/10 Sun

When Brianna was first introduced in DIA, I didn't really think of her as out of sync with the 60s because she acted very like my cousins and my older brothers. I know it was a time of great experimentation and freedom but not everyone jumped into the sack with the first guy (or girl) they fell for--I saw that first hand. I also thought Brianna was pretty sheltered despite the times because her parents had focused so much on her rather than the problems in their marriage and because she went to Catholic school. I know that Catholic school kids are normal and just as obnoxious as the next group but they can also be rather parochial.

I didn't like her much--Brianna, I mean. But later I began to feel kind of sorry for her and could excuse her behavior in DIA. I actually liked her less in Drums because I thought she should have grown up a bit and she still seemed too petulant and dependent. Over time, I have changed my opinion though and thought about what she had been through and how her own background influenced her decisions, etc. She seemed a product of her environment and heredity and I began to accept her as a character I could like. I don't have the hots for Roger like some do (he's a kid to me, I guess!) but I do like him and his response to Bree. He's been good to/for her and I try to see her through his eyes.

In terms of Claire/Brianna--JMHO, of course, but the relationship seems authentic enough to me because I don't think it was ever a standard mom/daughter thing. Claire isn't a typical mother, for various reasons, of course, and consequently, her relationship with her daughter is affected. Her basic outspokenness, the TT, the loss of Jamie, the violence she had witnessed, both in her time of war and in his, the feeling of being out of sync (early feminist) with her time--all that colors Claire's interactions with Brianna and they just aren't typical.

Anyway, thanks for reading--looking back I think it's one big run-on sentence but I'm too tired to change it!--I always enjoy reading your comments, even when I am just lurking.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> KathleenM>>>> -- Lemora, 22:36:43 05/09/10 Sun

I began to like Roger and Brianna more as time wore on --when he evolved into a minister and when she settled into motherhood with the two kids. I have liked them both most of all in "Echo".

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[> [> Funny you say that about Bree and Claire, Lemora. I feel the same about Willie-nothing about him makes me ever see him as Jamie's son. I guess it has to do with my dislike of the whole Geneva thing. I found it a forced, way too heavy-handed contrived plotline. So hence, I just can't see Willie like that-not "authentic" as you say! JMHO. -- Rollaine, 11:29:10 05/07/10 Fri


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[> [> [> Okay, there is ONE Claire-and-Bree episode that felt real to me: In "Voyager" where infant Bree is having a BAD DAY; the heater has quit in the dead of winter; and Claire has to cook a dinner for Frank's boss and wife, Professor Hinchcliffe. Claire is holding Bree and thinking of Jamie, her tears falling on Brianna's red baby fuzz. That image really sticks with me. Then, many spit-ups and diaper changes later, Frank comes home complaining that Claire hasn't "Fixed Herself Up" for the dinner party! A-a-a-r-r-r-g-h! Too bad Claire didn't smash that wine bottle over his head before storming out. Anyway, that's the only moment that relationship (C&B) felt authentic to me. -- Lemora, 12:06:19 05/11/10 Tue


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[> [> [> [> Very real...Frank was a real charmer. Never liked him-even before Jamie enters the picture and never saw him as anything but selfish. But, this is about Mother moments, so we can leave Frank out :-). At least you have one. I find no authenticity about WIllie as Jamie's son at all-not even one moment... -- Rollaine, 14:20:42 05/11/10 Tue


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[> [> You know, I never have thought of that. But you are right in a way. They are more like much older sister/younger sister than Mother/Daughter. Although I know Claire loves Bree, I've always felt it was a more guarded love...and that she loved herself more, if that makes sense. I love my sister, but I put my own needs first. I love my children, and I put their needs first. There is a disconnect there. -- conmama, 11:16:47 07/28/10 Wed


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[> Almost my favorite is when Bree washes Claire's hair upon returning from her abduction. Bree wanted to soothe her mother somehow. My other favorite is what Lemora said above, when Claire held Faith. I wept for a long time (still gets me!). -- Merrymags, 13:50:41 05/05/10 Wed


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[> I have to say the most touching moment is when Claire helps Bree through Jem's birth. I didn't have my mom with me when I gave birth to my DS and DD and I think it would be such a wonderful thing to experience. Claire makes the observation that she touches Bree (during Bree's labor) in a place she hasn't touched her daughter since she was a child. Of course, love that Jamie was there too to hold Bree's hand! -- krissn78, 14:32:51 05/05/10 Wed


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[> I liked it when Roger remembered his mother as she said the words "Clever lad." Okay, okay, so Roger isn't a daughter. But I think his mother is worthy of this Mother's Day poll. -- shy gal, 15:16:57 05/05/10 Wed


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[> [> shy gal....love this part too! That chapter makes me cry everytime....when Roger's mom "threw" him...the desperation she must have felt in that moment....augh! -- krissn78, 21:15:53 05/05/10 Wed


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[> I liked Marsali asking Claire about sex & birth control. Of course her dizzy mother had given her misinformation about sex. It was great she had her stepmother to straighten things out. I liked how she called her Mother Claire. -- ruthlass, 15:49:28 05/05/10 Wed


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[> [> Veering a wee bit off topic but I thought it was interesting that Claire didn't mind Marsali calling her 'mother Claire' but it bothered her when William did, she said it made her feeling like she should be swooshing around in a habit counting her rosary (or something like that). Maybe it just felt more natural with a Scots accent, or maybe she thought of William as a man but Marsali as a child? -- jayn, 18:34:59 05/05/10 Wed


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[> I like when Claire wrote a letter to Bree before she went back giving her all kinds of advice truly believing that she would never see her again. I can't imagine doing that. What advice would I leave my DDs? -- MonicaW, 16:51:29 05/05/10 Wed


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[> I have many favorites (like Claire saying "hello" to her belly when she feels Faith move for the first time) but I will vote for Claire's realization that while she hasn't taught Brianna to be a doctor nor passed that interest to her, she has apparently shown her something about how to be compassionate and take care of those she loves. This is when Bree tends to Claire after she is upset over losing Kenny's wife (can't remember her name, sorry!) with the trial penicillin batch. I like it b/c my own DDs are grown and I, too, like seeing the people they have become in their own right. -- KathleenM, 20:00:09 05/05/10 Wed


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[> When Bree and family were going back through the stones - Bree goes to jamie first and then came flying at Claire and said "Ilove you Mama! I love you!" -- Deena, 22:33:28 05/05/10 Wed


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[> I like the letter Claire writes to Bree when she is leaving the 1960's. You want to tell your child all the right things and impart your wisdom to them. In the end , though you wind up with the practicalities: stand up staright, don't get fat! Claire is my kinf of mom :) -- Lynn, 07:35:36 05/06/10 Thu


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[> [> Ditto that -- Lady Grey, 20:14:49 05/06/10 Thu


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[> [> [> This is the one for me too. So many times it seems that Claire looks at Bree as an extension of Jamie, but with this letter I think we really see the mother-daughter bond. -- Meri_C, 12:07:11 05/07/10 Fri


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[> I like when in DIA, Bree is asleep and Claire is watching her and she brushes Bree's cheek and Bree smiles, and Claire says something like "You are just like him.". To have Brianna, who is so much like Jamie, must have been such a comfort for Claire. -- LisaW, 13:15:51 05/06/10 Thu


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[> For me the best mother/daughter scene is when Claire and Bree are waiting for the funeral procession for Rosemary (Kenny's wife I believe) who died after Claire gave her penicillin. Bree sees that Claire is troubled and begins massaging herand asking her if it is becaue Claire is alone in this time with no one to understand her. Claire realizes she does indeed have someone who understands and it helps settle her mind and her spirit. This scene for me really illustrates the love and respect they have for each other. -- Jane C, 21:37:01 05/08/10 Sat


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[> Oh, this is a hard one - I'm torn between the letter in V and when Claire goes to visit Faith's grave (also in V). -- TerriC, 06:16:23 05/09/10 Sun


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[> [> Kenny's wife's name -- Isilika, 09:01:20 07/24/10 Sat

Rosamund Lindsay

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[> I can't picture Jenny without picturing her as a mother (when we first meet her is pregnant with a young child). One touching moment is when little Jamie flings himself onto his mother's bed in despair when he believes that young Ian has died after Jenny gave birth believing that the British soldiers were to blame. One funny moment was the fear young Ian was experiencing when he knew he had to face his mother after running away! -- Annie Stewart, 15:36:02 05/11/10 Tue


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[> Whoops! Just realized that the heading states Mother/Daughter moment. Sorry, I picked mother/son moments! -- Annie Stewart, 15:38:08 05/11/10 Tue


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