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Date Posted: 08:02:55 09/05/09 Sat
Author: fionaj
Subject: Hi Carol. I’m glad you enjoyed the scotch…I did too! While Jamie is obviously very appreciative of Claire’s looks, I don’t think they would get her a centerfold in Playboy. Now Jamie…he’s another story! ;-) To me, [and to Jamie, I think] Claire is a super heroine; but to the modern male reader? It may come back to the question of how Jamie sees himself as a man, and as Jessie suggests above, how they interact. Hmmmm…>>>>
In reply to: Carol P 's message, "I think Claire would qualify as such a character and I thought she was voluptuous. After all she saves lives and kills wolves and buffalo and soldiers. To seriously answer your question, the one that popped into my mind is Dagny Taggart from Atlas Shrugged, although she's lacking some of your listed characteristics. Scarlett O'Hara? Thinking on this, could the problem be that most stories about women are how they cope with stuff that happens to them rather than about characters who go out and DO things. Jessie may be on to something with the comic books. Maybe it's a time/historical problem. Large numbers of women growing up thinking they can conquer the world are just now in their forties. Maybe we'll see more fiction in the next few decades with characters like Fiona described. Since I drank Jessie's and Fiona's scotch for them, I can't think anymore. Slainte!" on 21:41:48 09/04/09 Fri

I haven’t read nearly as much as all of you [embarrassed]. Maybe some goddesses out of Celtic/Germanic/Greek mythology would qualify for super heroine status? They were probably all created by men [?], so how would that affect things? I’m not sure anyone ever obsessed over them, though. They’re probably in the same category as Kalypso who Jessie mentions above.

I haven’t watched TV shows for some years, but since last night, I’ve been wondering if Sydney Bristow from “Alias” would qualify as a modern super heroine? I think she was different than “Charlie’s Angels” [I never watched it, though] because there was a lot less emphasis on her sex appeal…and they “belong” to Charlie! I’m pretty sure there were a lot of men who liked the Sydney character a lot….but were they obsessed? Again, hmmmm. Did men write these shows? For a male audience? I don’t have any answers, but I’m still considering. Thanks for the responses, ladies. Now I have to go mow the lawn!!!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> As I prepare for a couple of days away…DH and I will be married 25 years on Tuesday!...I’ve come across the following articles which made me think of this wonderful conversation we had this week:>>>> -- fionaj, 08:54:30 09/06/09 Sun

Reading [or not] fiction [or not] in our lives:

Reading Underground, NYT, 9/3/09
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/nyregion/06reading.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/09/07/nyregion/nyc-subway-reading.html

“[…] Reading on the subway is a New York ritual, for the masters of the intricately folded newspaper […] since most trains are still devoid of Internet access and cellphone reception, the subway ride remains a rare low-tech interlude in a city of inveterate multitasking workaholics. And so, we read. […]”



Other Economists in the Room, Jane Smiley, 9/3/09
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/other-economists-in-the-r_b_277065.html

“[…] English majors understand human nature better than economists do. If, as Krugman said, "homo economicus" is perfectly rational, where did the folks who came up with this simplistic idea go to college, and didn't they read, say, Shakespeare, Locke, Rousseau, Hobbes, Dickens, Trollope, Proust, Zola, or even Freud? […]”


Surge in Homeless Pupils Strains Schools, NYT, 9/509
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/education/06homeless.html?hp

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