Now, as to why Duncan was "able" with Phoebe. That may have been the rub that really got to Jo- why with a slave but not with her? With a young girl but not an older woman. I can see why Jo's pride would be hurt even without the race issue, but I believe there is more to it. Duncan was a very shy private man. Jo was a succesful many times married woman- intimidating to everyone much less to a one armed fisherman who suddenly finds himself lord of the manor. But in time, as he became comfortable in that position, perhaps it gave him a confidance that he was able to share with Phoebe. But one also has to remember that she made the move (in Duncan's version of the story anyway). It was her breasts that were pressed against him. Maybe no one had done that before. -- Broch Talk

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Date Posted: 13:59:47 02/23/09 Mon
Author: susiej
Subject: Now, as to why Duncan was "able" with Phoebe. That may have been the rub that really got to Jo- why with a slave but not with her? With a young girl but not an older woman. I can see why Jo's pride would be hurt even without the race issue, but I believe there is more to it. Duncan was a very shy private man. Jo was a succesful many times married woman- intimidating to everyone much less to a one armed fisherman who suddenly finds himself lord of the manor. But in time, as he became comfortable in that position, perhaps it gave him a confidance that he was able to share with Phoebe. But one also has to remember that she made the move (in Duncan's version of the story anyway). It was her breasts that were pressed against him. Maybe no one had done that before.
In reply to: susiej 's message, "Woo eee! That's a lotta questions. OK- Now, I'm not one to condone affairs but marriage in that age was so often loveless that I just find it hard to say that I expect any person to live their entire life without wanting/seeking love. And since it starts with Jo and Ulysseus, I would say that Hector's numerous affairs led to Jo's one passion. Was Ulysseus harmed by this? I don't think so. He had the best life he could have had at that time, in that place. If Jo had freed him, he would never have been able to gain a position with the respect and power that he enjoyed at River Run. He would be in danger of losing his freedom and ending up in a much worse situation. Besides, he loves Jo. Was Duncan harmed? I don't think so. He knew quite well, his was a marriage of convenience. Jo needed to keep away other powerful suitors.>>>>" on 12:53:03 02/23/09 Mon

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[> [> [> Um, her name is Phaedre, not Phoebe :-) Not to nitpick or anything. -- Karen Henry, 14:39:59 02/23/09 Mon

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[> [> [> [> oh, sorry! That's not nitpicking. Thanks for the reminder. Obviously I didn't do the rereading. (Too into Nicholas right now to read anything else.) --

susiej, 09:49:45 02/24/09 Tue

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[> [> [> Susie, I like this explanation of why Duncan was capable with Phaedre. Given Duncan's life, Phaedre was the first to fuss over him, feeding him (the way to a man's heart), maybe really listening to him. I wonder how much Jo respected or asked for his opinions on anything. Conversations goes a long way to cement relationships. -- Carol P, 16:10:47 02/23/09 Mon

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