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Date Posted: 22:52:49 07/04/09 Sat
Author: Debi
Subject: I like it, but...
In reply to: Page 's message, "In here >>>>>" on 17:19:15 07/04/09 Sat

I'm trying to see it as contrived and it doesn't seem that way to me. People were a bit different then, compared to today. My question is, how long have she and Adam been togther? Even with the casual attitudes people had about relationships, her falling for Jay/them falling for each other the day after they meet feels a little sudden to me, but I don't know if that's my trying to apply my moral senses of today to people living in the Peace and Love era. Would Jay find her more intriguing if she strung him along, not on purpose, but because she was conflicted? Or does the guilt come along afterward?

Does any of this make a bit of sense?

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[> [> [> Answers inside >>>>> -- Page, 19:03:34 07/06/09 Mon

>I'm trying to see it as contrived and it doesn't seem
>that way to me. People were a bit different then,
>compared to today. My question is, how long have she
>and Adam been togther?

Katie & Adam have been together about five months. She accepted his offer to "crash" with him, and then just never left as they grew closer. They have fun together, enjoy lots of the same things, and the physical attraction, of course, is there. But they're entering that stage now where the honeymoon is over -- starting to become aware of things they don't have in common, and both of them beginning to realize that, in very many ways, they aren't really compatible.

>Even with the casual attitudes
>people had about relationships, her falling for
>Jay/them falling for each other the day after they
>meet feels a little sudden to me, but I don't know if
>that's my trying to apply my moral senses of today to
>people living in the Peace and Love era.

Funnily enough, I used DH and myself as the inspiration for that part. *G* I'm not sure if it would be classified as "love at first sight" when we met, but it was definitely "want at first sight." Unlike Katie, though, I wasn't involved with anyone else, so DH and I started seeing each other right away, and we were married three months later. That was in 1985. As far as Jay and Katie go, neither of them is thinking about love; they just know they want each other, and Katie knows she wants him more than anything she's ever wanted. Does that make sense? *G*

>Would Jay
>find her more intriguing if she strung him along, not
>on purpose, but because she was conflicted? Or does
>the guilt come along afterward?

You've hit the nail on the head. She does string him along, and it's just as you said -- not on purpose, but because she's conflicted. I can't remember if you were posting to the Lit Forum when I posted a scene involving Katie and Jay that took place in the back hall of his house, a scene that takes place some time after this one. In that scene, Jay has had his fill of it, too. A brief excerpt:

With a growl of frustration, Jay wrenched her wrists from around his neck and pinned them above her against the wall, holding her captive. He shook his hair back and stared at her with an intensity that stopped her breath. “Don’t make me wait too long, Katie. I can’t take this. I want you more than I’ve ever wanted any woman in my life.” There was nothing gentle about his voice now; it was ragged and hoarse and full of lust. “I want you and I’ve got to have you, do you hear me?”

So, yes, although they do a lot of kissing in the scene posted, that's about as far as it gets. For now. *G*

As far as guilt goes, Katie does feel guilty about wanting Jay so badly when she lives with Adam. And she has a lot of guilt about breaking up with Adam (later) for Jay, but a lot of that is because Adam goes out of his way to make her feel guilty. He knew as well as she did that it was time to break up, but it galls him to lose her to Jay. He's always felt inferior to Jay, and that was the last straw. Jay, however, doesn't feel guilty after the brief hesitation he has in this scene. In his mind, it was Adam's fault if he couldn't hold onto her. I wrestled with that for a while, but that's just the way Jay thinks.

You mentioned the way people thought and acted back in that time, and it reminded me of something I read. It was in "Hammer of the Gods" by Stephen Davis, a supposedly true biography of a very famous band. A guitar player for a major British rock band and his very much live-in girlfriend invited a guitar player from another major British rock band and his wife to their home in the countryside for the weekend. Before the weekend was over, Guitarist #1 had run off to London with the wife of Guitarist #2. The two guys were scheduled to record a session together, and Guitarist #1 was rather worried about how the other guy would respond to all this. But Guitarist #2 rang up Guitarist #1 to discuss the recording session, and, in the course of the conversation, blithely asked, "How's our bird?" The story was told to the author by Guitarist #2. I don't think Katie, Jay and Adam are that "free" with themselves, but it does illustrate the lifestyles those types of folks lived in that era.

I'm really glad the scene didn't come off as contrived, or as something to just move the plot along. Thanks, Debi!

Hugs,
Page

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[> [> [> [> That helps a lot! -- Debi, 19:55:40 07/06/09 Mon

With more background, it helps me understand. It all makes more sense now. I love that you and your DH were an inspiration for their whirlwind attraction. I would be a bit disappointed if they were really casual about changing partners (Do I hear CSN music now?). I don't think I'd be able to care about them as much as I do if they were really cavalier about their relationships.

I am waiting anxiously for the next installment.

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