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Date Posted: 09:50:50 03/01/07 Thu
Author: Kristie
Subject: My two cents on the post below and its responses

This turned out a lot longer than I'd anticipated, so I'm gonna put it inside a reply.

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[> inside (I hope I'm doing this right) -- -K-, 09:57:10 03/01/07 Thu

Here's how it is: actors, celebrites, hollywooders- they're all arrogant. You'd be hard pressed to find one that has a level, normal sized head on their shoulders (and I'm not saying there MIGHT not be one or two out there). We can worship them, build and visit websites dedicated to there work, go to fan conventions just to catch a glimps of them, and discuss them on message boards til the cows come home- and every one of us has at least one of those things (hell, I've done them all)- but when it comes down to it, they are over-paid, over-indulged, and very spoiled.

But you know what? I'm still gonna be at Target the day Season 3 comes out. Because I love Harm, Mac, Bud, Harriet, AJ, Gunny, Tiner, Jen... shall I go on? I don't watch JAG for DJE or CB, I watch it b/c I enjoy the characters, the story lines, the fun dialog... there are all kinds of reasons I can't wait to get my hands on the next set of DVDs. None of those reasons include any of the actors.

Face it, if you got all up in arms and defensive everytime some celebrity ran their mouth, or had a public tantrum, or did something morally questionable, you'd never enjoy anything you watched- on TV or on the big screen. They live in their own little world; one that we just don't understand. And frankly, I don't want to understand it. I just want to watch an hour of quality television a couple of nights a week. And plan weekend long marathons when new DVDs come out :D That's what it's all about.

So, yeah, it was rude what DJE said, whether it was off the cuff, taken out of context, or exactly what he meant to say. He knows what kind of dedicated fans he and JAG have accumulated over the years, and he should be a little more considerate of them and maybe think before he speaks. Who knows, maybe he was just having a bad day. But whatever. Waste of his life or not, I could care less, because when its all said and done, I'm gonna end up with ten seasons worth of JAG to watch anytime I want. I mean, come on, what's so bad about that?

As you can probably tell, I have little love for the Hollywood/celebrity scene. Little respect as well if you want to know the truth, harsh as it may sound. So let me just give a little piece of advice: love your show(s). God knows I do. My incredibly extensive DVD boxset collection can attest to that. But when you start putting the stars, not the characters, on a pedastal, you're setting yourself up for a fall.

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[> [> Amen!! You make lots of very good points and I appreciate your post. -- ShirJo, 21:02:38 03/01/07 Thu

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[> [> A lot of really good points. I'm not sure I disagree with him. If I worked that long, and had my daughter not even knowing that I lived in the same house, and said that she didn't know me very well because I'm never around, well I'm not sure I wouldn't think I was wasting my life doing a TV show, when there are so many more important things, like my kids, to focus on. -- Theresa, 00:59:13 03/10/07 Sat

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[> [> [> He made the choice of not having his daughter on the set with him and his wife. He made his bed and he had to lie in it. He's still never around, he's out running. It's CHOICES people, and he made his own. -- Amanda, 22:00:36 03/10/07 Sat

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[> [> [> [> Maybe that's what he regrets and why he says he wasted 1/4 of his life. "I wasted ten years by not being smarter with having my child around." Again, if it really was serious (inside) -- Meg, 01:58:40 03/11/07 Sun

If he was serious and honestly meant it in regards of how he feels about JAG, then yes, he was out of line. But I really have trouble taking any of that interview seriously because of how tongue-in-cheek most of the comments were. The only thing he sounded honest about is when he talked about his daughter asking "Where does Dad live?" With the rest of it, he was pretty much joking around about everything.

Not to mention the fact that show couldn't even give us the quote in context. They gave it to us in the preview and that was it. To me that sounds like the media trying to create controversy when they know they can't back it up. "We're going to get your attention to make sure you watch the interview, but the real story behind this quote isn't that exciting, so we won't even show it to you."

It wasn't the smartest thing to say, however he meant it, because of how it could be edited. But at this point, I'm more disgusted with E Talk Daily than anybody else.

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[> [> [> [> [> If that's what he meant, then that's how he should have worded it. He was being rude and spiteful as he has been often of late. And what was his problem on the weekends and holidays they had off for spending time with his daughter. It's not the quantity of time, but the quality of time spent. Apparantley he didn't spend any time with her when he was at home either. He dropped the ball on his relationship with his daughter and shouldn't blame Jag for that. I would say maybe he needs to quit focusing so much on himself and focus on his daughter and family. -- Kathy, 17:21:52 03/12/07 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> [> That's why I'd like to hear the question they asked him in the first place, and for that matter the rest of his answer...(inside) -- Meg, 18:27:43 03/12/07 Mon

I'm not trying to make excuses, but frankly, I was livid when I first saw the preview with that quote. Then they couldn't even give us the courtesy of showing the quote. Now I don't even know what to think anymore. But the last time this happened with one of my favorite actors, the quote that made them sound like a jerk wound up being taken way out of context. And the time before that it was an athlete who was made to sound like a prima donna and that wasn't even close. I didn't appreciate being taken in by selective editing then and I don't now. Which is why I refuse to take anything seriously on those shows anymore unless I can see it in context.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> PS - It's E-Talk Daily I'm angry with - not you. -- Meg, 18:28:47 03/12/07 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> [> With kids, it is the quantity of time as well as quality when they're growing up. I know what it's like to work non-stop and not have enough time. If he's working 12-16 hour days, he can spend all of his free time with her and still only see her for a few hours while she isn't asleep. We don't know his relationship with her. What we know is that his work schedule was tiring and the hours were long. Long enough for him to have regrets for spending that much time at work. Kathy, do you want to spend that much time at work? Even if your job is the world's best? I know I don't. -- Theresa, 01:14:28 03/13/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> The schedule is the same for hundreds of other actors Theresa, and they do it and don't complain. They bring there kids on the set during down time, in between takes and also have down time to go back to their trailers. They also have a few months off in between seasons. -- Amanda, 21:48:01 03/13/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> That's true, and we don't know if he did that or not. She obviously saw him on set in the trailer etc, if that's where she thought he lived. And he can complain if he wants. How does that effect anything at all that DJE wanted more time with his daughter. We got good screen time with Harm and Mac, that's all I care about. I don't care if hated every minute of it. (which we know he didn't because he said he misses his friends from the show) It doesn't change the character he portrayed. -- Theresa, 04:23:25 03/14/07 Wed

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[> High five on that. I dont really have role models in Hollywood and its even hard finding that among ordinary citizens. Im happy because Harm and Mac are happily together ever after.That's what matters to me most and Mac or Harm didnt die. -- Lorey, 19:29:37 03/02/07 Fri

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[> [> I'm glad Harm and Mac didn't die, but I wish they hadn't had to split the team up. I'd have rather it ended with everyone staying in DC. (This is pathetic, but I still haven't been able to make myself watch the tape.) -- Meg, 23:02:51 03/12/07 Mon

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[> My two Cents -- bill, 08:33:28 03/03/07 Sat

Very well said Kristie, all it takes is a little research and you can be in for a big surprise about what people in the entertainment business are really like. When I saw the video clip on You Tube about the "Wasted Time" it all but floored me.I can't understand why he gets top billing on CTH as his parts are all but token appearances.

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[> [> He doesn't get top billing. He's listed last in the credits. -- Meg, 15:55:26 03/03/07 Sat

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[> DJE Coments on ET Canada -- bt, 14:11:26 03/10/07 Sat

I only wrote what I interpreted from his interview. I don't care what some people (fanatics) think when they don't like an honest opinion. That's why I post here. When I heard the comment what came to mind was, what about the people who have jobs like police and fire who don't get to spend as much quality time with their families as they would like because of their crazy shifts, very long hours and working many holidays (and not get about three months straight to spend with their families when their shows are on haitus). I am willing to bet they would never make a comment that they felt they wasted their lives for spening so much time on the job.
I am DJE fan and a JAG fan. Still watch it everyday on USA. JAG has been his best work so far. He really grew as an actor. In that interview I think his comment showed that he is still "hurting" over the fact that Bellasario let him go. As a fan anything that "appears" to be a negative comment about a great series hurts. It had to be very difficult for DJE waiting to hear from Bellarsio and never getting a response from him to re-negotiate DJE's contract. That was the point I was trying to make!
Enjoy.

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[> [> I agree with the first portion of your post bt, but not the last portion. DJE didn't need to make a ridiculous comment like this or the others he did either, he's just vindictive. And HE unlike others has the advantage of having his children on the set with him when he's working which any other profession doesn't. He had the added priviledge of having his wife work on the show and he could have had his daughter join him on the set as well, but he chose not to, SO WAAAH to him. -- Amanda, 21:56:50 03/10/07 Sat

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[> [> [> As far as him growing as an actor, NOT. He hasn't grown in my opinion at all. And as far as his contract negotiations, don't blame dbp, DJE made another crappy comment on ET when they asked him if he was coming back if Jag got renewed and he sarcastically said, "We'll have to see what the money people have to say." DPB had a horrible time negotiating DJE's contract the last time and DJE wanted 1 mill. per episode, which is ridiculous. I have no pity for him, he got what he deserved. -- Amanda, 21:57:54 03/10/07 Sat

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[> [> [> [> How exactly do you know how much he wanted in his negotiations? Were you there? How do you know he didn't have his daughter on the set? Were you there? He's not going to have a huge amount of time even between scenes when he was half of the show's focus, to spend time with her. She obviously saw him on the set or she wouldn't have thought he lived there. Unless you were standing there when everything went down then you can't really intelligently comment about it. -- Sick of all of this., 01:18:32 03/13/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> They reported it in the paper. They talked about the hell it was negotiating the last contract with him. He wanted 1 mill already back then and signed for $300,000.00. And YES they do have alot of down time on the set between scenes, actors from all walks of television have said so. And quite with your physobabble Theresa, it's tiring. If he's going to have the junk come out of his mouth that he spews, he's gotta take the critisizim as well as the praise. And if you're so tired of this then don't participate and reply. -- Amanda, 19:50:44 03/13/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> If you think anything I've said is psychobabble you've never heard psychobabble before. All I'm saying is that no one on this board was standing there on the set seeing what happens every day. That's a fact. You don't know unless you're there. How does he deserve criticism to say that he wanted more time with his daughter? And what paper exactly did they publish the amount that he was asking for per episode? 1 mil has been floating around for years. Anyone know where the article can be found? I've never seen it. -- Theresa, 04:27:43 03/14/07 Wed

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[> [> [> [> I can't say for sure that he's grown since I don't know what he was capable of before that he never got the chance to show. But his performance on the last CTH ep was amazing. I knew he was a good actor, but I had no idea how good he could be. This character is more open than Harm was though, I've got no doubt he could have done the same thing on JAG if the character had called for it. But it was still a great performance. -- Meg, 17:24:17 03/13/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> His performance on CTH last Friday was boring. He can't act any better now than he did on Jag. He's stiff and boring and the show is awful and boring. I'm glad you liked his performance and the show, but I'm sorry I don't agree. -- Amanda, 19:45:50 03/13/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> I suppose acting is a great deal in the eye of the beholder, just like beauty is, but many of us thought DJE did a fine job on CTH the other night, and in many JAG episodes as well. You are perfectly welcome to dislike him and the show(s) he is in, but if that's the case, why are you here posting to a big group of his fans and fans of the shows? I strongly doubt you'll change any minds here. No one is perfect. We like DJE, but if you don't, why don't you find someone you do like and post on their boards? -- Deemus, 20:41:19 03/13/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Because I liked Jag for the other characters and used to like DJE. Also, not everyone here likes him or his work so I can post my opinion along with others who don't like his work or the show. If you read the posts, there are none fans of his here as well, and we're welcome to post on topics such as these just as much as you are even if it isn't the same viewpoint as yours. -- Amanda, 21:43:43 03/13/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Deemus, ITA w/you, and do not understand why this "discussion" will not die. Believe as you like, think what you want and let it go. There will never be a consensus on ANY actor. -- Greta, 21:56:08 03/13/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Of course you can post your opinion here, Amanda--I never suggested you couldn't. I'm just wondering why you waste your time commenting on shows and actors you don't like. I can't imagine going to the board of a show I didn't care for, posting my objections to it. I simply have better uses for my free time. -- Deemus--still a trifle puzzled, 17:41:20 03/14/07 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> This isn't a board for Dje or Close To Home. It's for Jag!!! So the person that originally made the post opened the can of worms for a free discussion. Now, you can also quit scolding and move on as well. -- Amy, 12:32:46 04/10/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Why are you jumping on Amanda, not everyone here is a big fan of DJE. I thought that this was a JAG board not a DJE or Harm board, I watched JAG because it was a military show. DJE did a good job with the Harm character but the other actors on the show passed him by on the depth they brought to their characters. -- Edna, 19:04:13 03/14/07 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I don't think it's so much that she's not a fan. She doesn't have to be. That's okay. It's the personal statements she's making about him as a father, and that he's cry baby, and how much he wanted per episodes etc, when she has no proof or practical experience to back up the statements. She doesn't know him, so it's not really fair for her to say those things. -- Theresa, 15:16:22 03/16/07 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> There is proof (it was printed in three magazines) And you're doing to her what you accused her of doing. You don't know if she knows him or has met him. Don't profess to tell people what they know and don't know or that they have no practical experience. Who the heck are you to know what people's experience and knowledge and proof are. You don't want to believe people that have met him as well as accounts from guest stars that have met him and said similar things, then Don't, but don't scold and tell people what they know and don't know, it's annoying and self righteous. -- Kathy, 12:19:08 03/20/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> What magazines? People make statements about the articles and I've never been able to find anyone who can tell me which articles. I'd really like to know. My saying Amanda doesn't know him, comes from Amanda's never saying that she does. She's angry enough about what she believes his behavior is, to say "I know this for a fact because I've talked to him, and I know him" but she didn't say that. If she knows him she can pipe up and tell me I'm wrong that's fine. But even meeting someone or talking to them doesn't show what kind of father they are unless they are with the kids at the time. -- Theresa, 13:15:30 03/21/07 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> The articles were discussed a few years back on most of the boards. If they aren't in the archives and you can't pull them up I guess that's a problem for you. It's been a few years and people don't necessarily hang on to magazines and articles from 2-3 years ago to prove a point to people like yourself that missed it or don't want to hear about it. The fact is there are those of us out there that have met him and experienced first hand what he's like. So again, Don't tell people what they do or don't know, and dont' preach to people about it. Inside... -- Kathy (this discussion is over on my part), 13:09:12 03/22/07 Thu

There have been people in the past that have given first hand account and unflattering remarks about their experiences with him, including guest stars, and you still preach, "oh we don't know that". The fact is yes we do and again if you choose not to believe it then Don't, but stop your preaching like you're the grand poobah, know all and see all of everything. Again it's annoying and self righteous.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> The ones making statements aren't saying "I was there." If they do say that, and give their first hand accounts, I don't have any problem with it. If they aren't there, then all it is, is gossip and hearsay. As for the articles, I'm just curious. I don't care how much he asked for, I'd just like to see it. I found an article about his contract, but it didn't mention his original asking price. I didn't say I'm the grand anything, know all see all...of anything. All I asked is, "were you there?" No one I've ever asked that has answered in the affirmative and given their account. -- Theresa, 16:26:57 03/23/07 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I'd also like to add that I've never said that I was there either, nor have I given an account of what I think happened on the set and with DPB etc. Because I don't know. David could be the devil or he could be a sweetheart. I have no idea, because I'm not around him to know it. No one I've seen here has said that they were around him to know it either. I wouldn't like it if people were saying things about Catherine without firsthand knowledge or at least an article to back it up. Why would I like it if they did that with David? -- Theresa, 16:30:36 03/23/07 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Blah, Blah, Blah Theresa. You keep repeating yourself over and over again with the same jiberish. You apparently don't read very well, and like Kathy said above it's been three years and no one saves magazines or articles for three years. If you missed the discussions when they happened about the articles, then that's your probelm. And people have stated their experiences in the past with David as well as above and you still deny it. So go ahead and believe what you want to believe but like others have asked, get off your high horse and quit your preaching. Move along already! -- Amy, 10:23:12 03/26/07 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Inside... -- Theresa, 15:47:37 03/26/07 Mon

All I asked is if the people making statements had any personal experience to back them up. Where above did anyone state their personal experiences with David? All I saw were people saying that they've heard before from others about how he is. I looked back and I don't see anyone in this discussion that has said they know first hand what kind of person that he is and what kind of father. That's it. That's all I asked.

People can believe what they want, but me, I want to know if people know what they're talking about. They may very well know first hand, but no one here has said that they do.

As for the articles, I was around during that time and just missed the ones that showed what he was asking for. That part's not a big deal to me. And many magazines articles are still online from that time period, so it's possible to track them down.

The only reason I'm repeating myself is because people keep telling me I'm preaching. Preaching involves telling others what to think. I never did that. All I have ever asked is for a personal account to back up the statements made. No one here has provided that. I don't believe it's fair to post negatively about someone without having anything to back it up.

Kathy told me to quit telling people what they know and don't know. In answer to that I keep asking for anyone in this discussion to tell me what they *do* know for fact. If they can't back up their statements with a publication or personal experience than I can fairly conclude that they don't have any proof. If there have been publications that showed what salary he asked for, that's fine. I don't care about that. That was mere curiosity. The statements about him as a person are the ones that raise my hackles.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Inside again... -- Theresa, 15:54:49 03/26/07 Mon

Just also want to add that I didn't deny anyone's statements about what kind of person he is. He could be exactly as people are saying, (though I can't imagine Catherine Bell holding onto and leaning in the chest of someone who's all that bad, like she did in the wrap party video) all I want to know is if they are spouting gossip, or they know from experience what they're talking about.

Not on a high horse. Not disbelieving. Just asking for proof.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Move on Already Theresa! -- - - - - - - - :(, 18:28:34 03/26/07 Mon

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Inside... -- Theresa, 20:16:35 03/26/07 Mon

I'm not the one having a problem here. Nor have I resorted to calling people personal names. If people are going to call me preachy and on a high horse among other things. I'm going to respond to it with my position. I'm not going to leave it on nasty names.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Lol., you just can't let it go can you Theresa. You gotta have the last word. Enough already and stop it. -- Amy, 14:25:59 03/27/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> My roommate doesn't like the show much either - she usually surfs the internet while it's on. And I can understand posting on the JAG board - but why did you watch CTH? Get duped by a preview? -- Meg, 22:46:03 03/13/07 Tue

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> I watched it last year and liked it and the characters. I tried it a few times, and every time I've tuned in this season I've not liked it at all. -- Amanda, 07:44:35 03/14/07 Wed

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh. So what did you think of Annabeth's late husband? (inside) -- Meg, 16:00:18 03/15/07 Thu

I've only seen one ep with him and thought he came across as a controlling jerk, but again, it was only one ep. Any of the old fans I talk to seem divided on their opinions.

Also, are you a Jennifer Finnegan fan and, if so, did you see the movie "The Stalking of Laurie Show?" They reran it the other night and I thought I'd check it out. Thought the movie itself was well done, but the story was sad.

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[> who cares about him.I like the show and I got what I what with Harm and Mac. -- Renee, 23:30:28 03/12/07 Mon

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[> [> Thank you Renee. I think most everyone else missed my point ;D -- Kristie, 09:13:13 03/14/07 Wed

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