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Date Posted: 10:13:38 06/01/16 Wed
Author: HOF czar
Author Host/IP: 45.32.89.47
Subject: jjwalker explains to BBA why he (BBA) is a shit poster

I have one last post about Draymond, and it's meant only for BBA.
Posted on June 1, 2016 at 02:16:44 AM by jjwalker

I've said in the past how much I hate the way - not the disagreement itself - of how you argue. The Draymond thing provides a great example.

First you try to make some case out of me wavering between ranking Draymond 12-16 or 16-20 (lol). That was actually me *making my own case* that I needed to slide Draymond down a few spots, because Draymond has only had one year of very good offensive production to go along with his unquestioned defensive excellence, through statistics I've provided and through expert opinion. Not one or the other, but both.

So I explained very precisely why I was backing off (i.e., admitting I was wrong) the 12-16 ranking (and moving him down 4ish spots). I've been wrong before, and I can admit that. But then I said *this particular season* Draymond was a top 10 player. This season. Because he was. And I very specifically acknowledged that there's a difference between putting up one top 10 season's worth of productionn and being "a top 10 player". Simple distinction, right? A baseball player puts up his first top 10 OPS or WAR at age 26, and you want to see it again before you say he's "a top 10 player in the league". Incredibly simple, something any sports fan understands intuitively. Taco understands this.

But in your cunty little response, you pretend - as someone with a fucking business degree - to not understand the difference. What a chickenshit way to argue.

"... And now I think you have him in the top 10?"

"Think", lol. Question mark, lol. Uh huh. Just be honest that you get the fucking distinction, goddamn. There's no debate judge here.

See how you argue like a total bitch? You sap my will to post more than anyone on the board, and that's the god's honest truth. I can handle stupid people. It's the non stupid people who think they're clever being intentionally obtuse to try to score some high school debate points that kill my will to participate.

The rest of your arguments are just normal stupid, uninformed board birdshit, but I do always love when you argue as a self-appointed representative of a crowd. You love to talk for "the board", everybody thinks this, nobody likes that, "the board" hates you. Just man up and own your own fucking opinion, dude! Insecure much?

Can you see how I'm not convinced when I'm claiming Draymond is a top 16-20 player by you saying "the league wouldn't draft him in the top 20 in an all-player draft"? How is that ANY different from you saying "Uh, no he's not"? Do you think I believe you have some amazing inside view of how the league sees Draymond Green?

I've given statistic after statistic, advanced stuff that measures specific team production when a player is on the court versus off, win shares, VORP, offensive rating versus defensive rating, evidence that Thompson benefits from Draymond more than the other way around (though they both benefit from each other), statistics with just Draymond and not Curry on the floor, expert opinion that puts Draymond as the 2nd best defensive player in the league in back to back years, 2nd team all NBA this year, 7th in the MVP vote - and you have your opinion and the opinion that the league agrees with your opinion.

See how you're a fucking shit poster? Does that make more sense now?

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