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The Diana Gabaldon New Release Discussion Board

Until discussion is opened on the LOL Books Board, this is the place for discussions of the soon-to-be-released short story
"Lord John and the Plague of Zombies" in the Down These Strange Streets anthology

and the recently released short story
"A Leaf on the Wind of All Hallows" in the Songs of Love and Death anthology

and the not-so-newly-released graphic novel The Exile by Diana Gabaldon, illustrated by Hoang Nguyen.

What is a graphic novel?
According to Herself: ...a graphic novel is, in essence, a comic book for adults. Ergo, the images aren't intended to be/can't be
accurate figurations of the characters, but are artistic approximations, made for the purpose of carrying an interesting story,
executed in a different way than a text-only novel.
Please note that if you have NOT read these releases yet, you will run into *SPOILERS* here.
Read at your own risk.
Please do not post pictures from the graphic novel. (copyright issues)
Discuss and have fun!
To read archived posts, scroll to the upper right corner of this webpage and click on one of the numbered ARCHIVES links.

I just re-red the abduction scene in ABSOAA. What an incredible piece of writing. I've been reading a few chapters each night, but knew that when I got to that scene, I wouldn't be able to put it down. Yup. Lights out at midnight. The layers, the levels, the intimacy of each character;s motivation. And then she keeps throwing in small physical details of the woods surrounding Claire. Most amazing. -- swarl, 07:45:34 02/05/12 Sun

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- I have to so agree with you. And, in addition, Jamie's reaction when he finally finds Claire, when he is berserk, is one of the most emotional scene in all of the books. (NT) -- Lady Linda, 06:29:03 02/07/12 Tue
Question about Scottish Prisoner -- Scott, 22:50:09 01/18/12 Wed
Hi! I have to admit this is my first time posting to the forum, but I am reading Scottish Prisoner and I need some help. Can someone point me to the book/chapter in which the "trouble" occured between Grey and Fraser at Helwater? It is repeatedly referenced and I feel I am missing a big piece of the puzzle. I can guess what happened but would like to go read it.
Thanks so much!

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- Scott, it's in the previous LJG book, Lord John and the Brotherhood of the Blade. I no longer have the book, so I can't cite chapter, sorry. (NT) -- TerriC, 06:09:58 01/26/12 Thu
SCOTTISH PRISONER pictures -- Karen Henry, 05:12:14 01/06/12 Fri
Check out my blog post here for a collection of pictures and links relating to SCOTTISH PRISONER. I hope you enjoy them! :-)

Karen

blogging at Outlandish Observations

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- I'm just now getting around to reading the Scottish Prisoner, so these photos are really helpful. Thanks Karen. (NT) -- Gina-C, 18:31:33 05/17/12 Thu
So....who's the guy in the bog?? -- CarolSR, 06:22:43 12/22/11 Thu

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- Beats me, but knowing Diana, he was probably a time traveler!! Ha! (NT) -- Nifty, 10:04:06 12/25/11 Sun
I love those Grays. Turns out they are all passionate, not just John! What did you think about the tidbit about Benedicta and Harry?! Hal's romance was a great revelation of both Minnie and his personalities. I loved it! Intrigue, passion, and finally love. There's not a conventional one among them. I'd love to know them all. -- DawnW., 17:41:30 12/12/11 Mon

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- It makes me want to go back and reread the bits about Minnie and Hal in Echo. I love thinking of Minnie as a spy whom Hal cannot control at all. He doesn't even know what is going on. Imagine Jamie and Minnie's total shock!!!! (NT) -- swarl, 17:48:49 12/14/11 Wed
Scottish Prisoner: I'm curious what other people think - what effect did Claire's absence have on the feeling of the book? I think it felt a bit less tightly woven. Make no mistake, I thoroly enjoyed it. It has - as they all do - a slightly different feel. -- swarl, 06:47:40 12/01/11 Thu

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- I haven't read it yet, but I don't expect it to feel like an Outlander book. I expect it to feel like a Lord John book. I mean, that's what it is, right? (To me the Lord John books have always felt VERY different than the Outlander books. Definitely more of a straightforward mystery -- which is not a genre I'm a fan of. I only read them because I like John, and to be honest, I mostly skim them, especially looking for any Jamie kernels. But I'm certainly not expecting this one to feel like a Jamie book. I'm just hoping that it will help to explain how Jamie and John's relationship went from contentious and hostile to friendly and trusting.) (NT) -- Nifty, 07:41:37 12/01/11 Thu
- Scottish Prisoner -- Ann, 05:08:14 12/03/11 Sat
- Okay, so I have to admit that I choked a bit when I came across this line: -----> -- Nifty, 07:15:05 12/04/11 Sun
  - John Hunter was the uncle of the others in Echo. But he was a real live person too. I read an excellent biography of him not too long ago, and cheered when he showed up in Prisoner. (NT) -- Susannah, 12:22:53 12/07/11 Wed
- scottish prisoner>>> -- lizm, 00:44:59 12/05/11 Mon
  - Dr. John Hunter was Denzel and Rachel's UNCLE. And Denzel was sent to London to study under his patronage - that's where he got his medical training. I finished SP last night (after trying NOT to read so quickly), and must say that it was a good read. Once again, DG has intrigued me by bringing in the fact that Jamie knew Minnie from his days in Paris (and no, I do not believe that information was in DIA) and the interweaving of this story with those of the Outlander series was so well done. I also thoroughly enjoyed reading more about Hal, Minnie and John's life with his family in London. A great read! Too bad we now have another long wait for the next one. (NT) -- Ruthgold18, 07:43:37 12/05/11 Mon
- of course he was ! brilliant! (NT) -- lizm, 01:08:39 12/08/11 Thu
- I have 3 more chapters to go and I am stalling as I don't want it to end. This may be my favorite of all the Lord John books, mainly because of Jamie of course. The duel chapters were so exciting i couldnt wait to turn the page! I love the Irish comments, as a Sullivan, I can relate! :) (NT) -- Carolsr, 05:03:18 12/08/11 Thu
- I finished it and loved it. When I read the last line, I knew it was the end of the story. Diana always has such great "last words." I was so happy to see John and Jamie developing their friendship again. Also enjoyed seeing more details of Willie lost in the fog. I know I liked this book more because Jamie was featured....I can't help it...I love the guy. (NT) -- CarolSR, 10:14:58 12/13/11 Tue
- Following CarolSR's comments: I'm almost done with SP, maybe 1.5 ch to go...I sure do not want it to end! I think the main theme of this book is LONGING. Longing in different ways....but it's a feel sad kinda theme throughout the book. John longs for Jamie...Jamie for Claire...Jamie for Willie...Quinn for another chance at the kingship...longing for a friendship to continue....get back..re-connect...longing for so many things. I love this book and so happy DG continues to poke our hearts with Jamie and John and other newer characters that also make us laugh and wonder about the life of JAMMF. (NT) -- Niseold, 08:13:15 01/17/12 Tue
Where does this Lord John story fit in? Didn't he come over on the war ship that Claire was kidnapped on to become govenor of Jamaica? And when Claire and Jamie got there to question Gellie hadn't her husband recently died? I'm very confused. Did LJ go back to England and come back again? -- Mandee, 06:43:21 11/29/11 Tue

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- Scottish Prisoner is during the time Jamie was at Helwater, Claire was still is 'our' time. It is almost immediately after John returns from Canada (Custom of the Army). Plague of Zombies is, again, almost immediately after SP. John has been to sent to Jamaica as a military official ro investigate some trouble, he returns to England and gets sent out as govenor (when he meets up with J&C) years later. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all the LJ books are set during Jamie's time at Helwater or his time at Lallybroch right after (ie when he married Loaghaire). (NT) -- jayn, 05:33:06 11/30/11 Wed
- That makes sense, the only thing that is puzzling is the Gellie thing. Was she living without her husband on the plantation for that long? When Claire was listening to the gossip about Gellie in Jamica (before knowing it was her) the women suggested that the death of the husband was recent. I will get out Voyager and look again, but if this story is when Jamie was at Helwater, then doesn't this make his death happen much later than suggested in Voyager. (NT) -- Mandee, 03:51:21 12/01/11 Thu
  - When Claire finds her she is on Jamaican husband #2 - they are cousins or somesuch, explaining the name being the same. (NT) -- jayn, 15:07:16 12/01/11 Thu
Lord John & The Plague of Zombies -- jayn, 10:07:23 10/03/11 Mon
I am about 6 pages into Lord John & the Zombies. All I can say is I feel like I've come home to a much loved placed that I didn't even know I missed until I returned. I have read...how many?...authors, good obscure ones, bad best-selling ones, and everything in between. No one, no one at all, does it like our Diana. the rhythym , the cadence, the wonderful, superlative use of language. If, by the second paragraph, you don't know you are reading Diana then you just don't deserve her. Who else can take five words to describe a character so well that you feel you've know that person all your life, and then spend another hundred words developing, without the least feeling of wordiness? The story is developing as well as you would think it should, I'm not really far enough into it to say if I think it's a good story or not (as if there is any doubt), but the joy of the writing itself is enough for now.

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- I ordered this book for my Kindle and as of this morning the Publisher hasn't released the Kindle version. I was sooo looking forward to starting this book today. (NT) -- CarolSR, 06:43:32 10/04/11 Tue
- Yea! It's here! Lord John here I come! (NT) -- CarolSR, 17:07:57 10/04/11 Tue
- I just finished the story and really enjoyed seeing Lord John again. So many characters from previous books, Twelvetrees, Mrs. Abernathy, Ishmael, Tom Byrd..its like meeting up with old friends. I loved that Lord John had an erotic dream about our favorite redhead. I cant wait to read The Scottish Prisoner. (NT) -- CarolSR, 20:15:17 10/05/11 Wed
- If any of you want to tell Diana what you think about "Plague of Zombies", please feel free to post on Compuserve. Link inside>>>> Diana is actively participating in that discussion, answering questions and clarifying things. -- Karen Henry, 16:17:47 10/06/11 Thu
Just finished 'A Leaf on the Wind of All Hallows' -- BrendaW, 09:19:59 05/09/11 Mon
I really liked this short story. So sad at the end. No idea that it was actually Roger's dad, who held him when his mother threw him over the rail. Anyways a thought stuck me. In 'ABOSSA' (I think) Roger is remembering someone saying to him when he was a little boy -'who's the good boy' (or something to that effect - I don't have any books here with me at the moment). Roger was saying this to Jemmy and was remembering the words from his childhood. He first thought it was his father but then he tried harder to remember and could not figure out who it was. Well, now we know that it was actually FRANK who said this to him. I was trying to figure out how long Jerry was gone. In the present day, Frank brought the medal after he had been missing for 2 years. Was it shortly after this when Jerry returned? And how long was Jerry in the past - was that 2 years or more also? I wonder what he did in those 2 years?
Another startling moment - It was actually Roger who met Jerry in the past and got him to the stones ? Wow. Now I wonder where that came from? Is this actually Roger and the guy (forget his name)who are looking for Jemmy at the end of Echo?
Oh, I am so anxious for the next 'Big' book to come out - I'll probably be more than 2 years yet!

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- Glad you like it Brenda. Frank might have said that to Roger, but he was rememebering his mother saying 'who's a good lad, then'. Roger and Bree were trying to get Jem to use the potty and Roger remembered mis mother saying that to him. I thought Jerry was only in the past a couple of weeks, maybe not even that long - but you're right about the time gap. Maybe time passed differently, Jerry didn't seem to have done much 'back then' if he was gone for 2 years, no adaptation at all. Herself has said Book 8 might be out in late 2012 but we'll have to wait & see, meantime there is Lord John & the Scottish Prisoner coming this Nov (I believe). (NT) -- jayn, 11:36:19 05/09/11 Mon
- I thought it was 'clever.' (NT) -- sharon fisher, 02:59:57 05/10/11 Tue
  - You're right Sharon, it was clever lad. (NT) -- jayn, 04:38:45 05/10/11 Tue
- Thanks Jayn and Sharon -- brendaw, 05:53:41 05/10/11 Tue
- oops - went long in message above. Please open to see. (NT) -- Brendaw, 05:56:19 05/10/11 Tue
A poll about "Leaf"... -- Karen Henry, 15:24:07 02/01/11 Tue
The February poll on my blog is all about people's reactions to "A Leaf on the Wind of All Hallows". Please take a moment to visit the site and let me know what you think!

The poll will run until the end of February.

Thanks,
Karen

blogging at Outlandish Observations

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*sigh* I got the book from the library on Saturday and read it yesterday afternoon.... what a wonderful story she created! I thought it was very well done, I was so sad that I got out Fiery Cross and found when Roger tells Brianna about the Blitz just to make it last a little longer! Such a tragedy!!! *sigh*... -- NancyH, 13:30:47 01/18/11 Tue

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- I really loved the story. Whetted my appetite for more, more, more. Reading it was almost as frustrating as reading an excerpt! (NT) -- Melina, 10:47:50 02/09/11 Wed
- Leaf -- Cheryl R, 10:31:45 04/01/11 Fri
  - sorry ... you can tell I almost NEVER post! I messed up the previous post. I meant to ask for help in finding that section of Fiery Cross where Roger talks about the Blitz. Thanks! (NT) -- Cheryl R, 10:33:11 04/01/11 Fri
Exile fan! -- jayn, 03:09:27 12/27/10 Mon
I took Exile to my sister on Christmas Eve, she finished it that night and - well...she likes it. I think her dh liked it even better, if you get the drift. Sis is a long-time Outlander fan (I think she read it when it first came out) but she is not so into it as some of us.

Problem is, I left my bookmark and Scarlett's card tucked into the book and I have a feeling I'm not getting what sis calls my inspirational cards back. This could lead to a full-blown family feud.

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- I got a Nook for Christmas, so I will finally get to read SLD!! (NT) -- Crystal, 15:46:04 12/27/10 Mon
I was wondering what everyone thought of Frank ..... (inside) -- Trish22911, 06:53:11 12/13/10 Mon
after reading the short story in Songs of Love and Death - I must say that I like Frank even LESS! He was the one that visited Jerry's wife, Dolly, to give her the "sad news" and it almost seemed like he would have made a pass at her or something if he could..

Also I pulled out Outlander to see if Frank made any comment to Clare about Roger (as Frank had met Roger before) or if Frank showed any compassion for little Roger - NONE! In fact didn't even recall Roger when Clare was speaking about him - was more interested in his own glorious ancestor - Black Jack! YUCK!

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- Well, seeing him fromthe point of view of Dolly/Jerry he isnt exactly the good guy of the story -- Aine, 07:54:20 12/13/10 Mon
  - But Frank would have known when he saw Roger's "family tree" on the board at the Rev house... (NT) -- Trish22911, 08:18:02 12/13/10 Mon
    - Maybe, I dont really see why he would bring it up... its interesting what we see as significant, that maybe isn't as important to the characters.... -- Aine, 08:18:14 12/14/10 Tue
- I'm not sure Frank would have made any connection to Roger Wakefield, MacKenzie is a fairly common name, Frank wasn't especially interested in young Roger, and Jerry was only one of many soldiers. Actually I did like Frank better here, I thought he did show genuine regret, but I also got the impression he had given this news many times (IMO only, no proof) (NT) -- jayn, 13:03:42 12/13/10 Mon
- I have never liked Frank's arrogant attitude and this scene just made me like him even less. Although, since Herself wrote this story after Outlander, we can't expect him to recogize Roger as if that story was written prior. (NT) -- Mandee, 16:33:41 12/14/10 Tue
- After reading DG's comments about how she started writing, I doubt she had the story planned out, or she would have had Frank speak or act a little differently toward Roger. On another note, I felt badly, but I didn't love Roger's dad like I thought I would/should. (NT) -- amy el, 09:27:08 01/06/11 Thu
The Mistake in Exile -- jayn, 14:30:29 11/26/10 Fri

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- Does anyone recall that Diana posted on her blog there is a kind of big mistake in Exile and wondered if anyone would find it. Well today she reported what that mistake is - Jamie is depicted as being shot in the wrong arm. That's what I said way long ago the very day the book came out. And, depending which picture you look at, his wounded arm changes. I said that also. Just bragging that I found the error. Just bragging, that's all. I'm not often right, just ask dd, so I'm kind of inclined to harp on it when I am. *G* Woohoo, I'm right. (NT) -- jayn, 14:34:43 11/26/10 Fri
- Interesting, I had just listened to this on my ipod, then read The Exile & thought something wasn't right, but didn't think too long about it. Also, I was surprised to see a photo of naked Jamie standing by a lake - w/perfect back - no scars..has that been mentioned (silly question among the experts here...I'm sure it has!) (NT) -- MaryJ, 17:07:11 11/28/10 Sun
I haven't started this yet...... -- Judie, 10:31:43 11/20/10 Sat
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because I'm still only about 20% through The Girl Who Kicked The Hornet's Nest and I don't want to start another story. And The Girl..... is tense and I only have so much reading time so it's killing me. :D

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Linking this book to Book 8...... -- DonnaC, 14:18:28 11/18/10 Thu
I haven't got/read the book, but have been following the thread on Compuserve - there are many more posts/insights than here, including input from DG herself.

How do you think that this story will impact on Book 8 - in the past stories (mainly the LJG stories) they have been set while Claire was 'away', so not particularly relevant to the story at large, but this is a continuation of the cliff-hangers from Book 7 - Roger and Buck going to look for Jem who they think has gone through the stones. And then turning up where they did, and the subsequent events.

So - where ydo you think that leads us to in Book 8?

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- That is such a hard one. The Compuserve threads go too long, so I rarely read anything over there anymore, so I don't know what they're saying-or DG herself. All I can take out of it is that Roger & WB ~do~ go back, but something must happen to WB along the way. As Jerry describes him-sallower and deeper-set lines-and with Echo's declaration that he is dead (to his family at least) when he disappers around this time. So whatever else happens to Roger & WB, WB must not get back to his family. That's all we can surmise now. Oh, and they travel to the south toward the Northumbria area! What I'll be ~very~ interested in seeing, is how DG is going to resolve the basic premise of TT-that you go to whoever you are focused on. I can see WB thinking most fervently of his wife, but Roger? He would have been completely absorbed by thoughts of Jem, so he should not have traveled at all if Jem is still in the 20th century. Does that mean Jem ~did~ go back? We'll see....... (NT) -- Missa, 08:42:04 11/23/10 Tue
  - Something else bothering me, now that I think of it. If Jerry (which must mean Roger & WB) went back to 1752 (hence the author's note about the calendar change), #1-WB was already born then. Is that possible to cross your own timeline? I thought in one of the earlier books, DG said you'd die? And #2-the gold isn't in the Spaniard's cave yet, so even if Jem does go back, he wouldn't know the gold was still at River Run in 1752. So, I'm thinking......wild guess here.....Roger & WB will have to meet up with Jamie to find Jem (if he's still in the cave. -I went long.......>>>>> -- Missa, 09:17:21 11/23/10 Tue
    - First off if Roger meets with Jamie why did we not hear of it in V and why did he not recognize him in Drums. Time runs parallel so if Rog meets with Jamie at that time it happens at that time... so it would have happened in V. Golly TT is a crazy business (NT) -- BrandyC, 16:07:40 12/03/10 Fri
- Thanks for your ideas - I had not thought it through as clearly as you, but realised that there are definetly some 'timing ramifications'in the book, So how is the great DG going to tie up all these loose ends!!! I'm, sure she will though, and create a few more on the way... (NT) -- DonnaC, 13:09:54 11/23/10 Tue
- There was a section on Compuserve that discussed why Roger found his Dad. Roger was concentrating on finding Jem (Jeremiah MacKenzie) but since Jem was in the present day in the tunnel, when Roger time traveled he was drawn toward the other Jeremiah MacKenzie, his Dad, Jerry. (NT) -- CarolSR, 16:02:33 11/23/10 Tue
  - Ah. That sort of explains it. It's hard to believe he would have been so nonchalant about meeting his dad in 1752, but I guess he was focused on Jem; running into his dad in the past wouldn't set off any questions for him! A hint for book 8, it does seem-in more ways than 1! (NT) -- Missa, 20:51:15 11/23/10 Tue
    - well, we also don't know how he reacted when he first encountered signs of his dad... -- Aine, 07:59:44 12/13/10 Mon
- Does anyone NOT like Frank even MORE after this story??? -- trish22911, 16:30:58 12/10/10 Fri
  - Oh. My. God. I NEVER picked up on the fact that the officer that visited Marjorie was Frank!!! How dumb am I??? (NT) -- LissC, 13:10:36 12/11/10 Sat
In the epilogue to the story, Diana discusses the calendar change in 1752. Were there other references in the story that gave you a hint of the year Jerry traveled back to? Also, if this was Roger's once chance to meet his father, why didnt he say more? -- CarolSR, 06:16:55 11/18/10 Thu

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- I do't really pay all that much attention to the specific year, unless it matters. Maybe I should since I often have to back-track but anyway. I agree with your question about why did Roger say more, also (call me shallow) I wondered if Roger 'knew' Jerry wouldn't make it back why did he waste a gem on him? (NT) -- jayn, 08:09:50 11/18/10 Thu
- I was interested in the year due to the reaction of the people. In the stories most folk are welcoming to strangers, offering hospitality, yet here Jerry was beaten, his jacket stolen, etc. I was trying to get a sense of why? (NT) -- CarolSR, 11:36:19 11/18/10 Thu
  - My take is that it was b/c he was Scottish, they were "Northumbrian." This would have only been a few years after Culloden, so the Scots were still being persecuted after the Rising. I would imagine anyone not-Scots would have had a low opinion of them, especially a lone young male-probably thought him an outlaw at best, but certainly a theif. There likely would have been a lot of starving ppl coming down out of the Highlands in search of food and livelihoods by this time. The way they pounced on Jerry, it sounded to me like these Northumbrians had a thing for depredating the highlanders as they passed through, stole everything they could from them, if they caught them. But I would guess it was mutual-as bad off as these ppl were, likely the highlanders took their share as well while passing through. IRL that's how it with refugees, they steal everything they can from everyone they can just to survive. (NT) -- Missa, 08:59:14 11/23/10 Tue
    - Missa, it couldn't be a couple of years after Culloden as Buck was born by then. Diana hasn't said when it was but it can't be a time when WB was already born (NT) -- SheilaH, 13:12:58 12/02/10 Thu
- Just finished reading it - She's done it again - taken my heart and ripped it to shreds - making me laugh - and weep - giving me joy and sorrow. What an author. (NT) -- Robin, 16:58:01 11/20/10 Sat
- I think if Roger would have said more, his father would not have been able to concentrate on Dolly to go back. And if he wouldn't have gone back, Roger might not have survived the bombing... but I don't know why the people were so very hostile. (NT) -- Robin, 05:32:57 11/21/10 Sun
- I thought this was a wonderful story! I'm so glad Roger got to meet his dad and that it ended up being his dad who saved him! I'm just so puzzled as to how Roger knew where to go to help his dad!?!! (NT) -- Mandee, 15:44:47 11/21/10 Sun
- After reading the author's note at the end, all I could think was "Why are Roger and Bucky in 1752?! Aren't they supposed to go back to the 1770s?" Maybe not. It's been a while since I read <i>Echo</i>. This story made me want to go back and reread that... and the part in <i>Fiery Cross</i> where Roger is telling about the Tube station collapse... And I'm hoping he's not drifting lost in the past forever and he finds a way to get home to Bree and the kids (and find Jem, if indeed Jem has TTed.) *Sigh* DG has done it to me again! (NT) -- Lynn H., 16:59:56 11/27/10 Sat
- why are they in 1752 -- lizm, 12:57:13 11/29/10 Mon
  - why are they in 1752? Maybe they aren't. DG says that the calender changed in 1752, but maybe they went to an earlier time, before the Jacobite rebellion/ Claire went to 1740s from 1940s maybe Jerry did the same. But why? was he thinking about Roger? Who was perhaps thinking about him because in Rogers timeline Jerry was ther? eek... make my head hurt... but in a good way . (NT) -- lizm, 13:01:28 11/29/10 Mon
I put Leaf on my phone, & read it yesterday. WOW! Diana did it again! I was pulled right into the story. I loved it, even though the end was sad. Question: we CAN talk openly on this board, correct? I noticed others being cryptic about a couple people. I'll not say anymore until openness is confirmed. Boss? -- Cathryn_L, 02:44:04 11/18/10 Thu

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- At the top it says 'you will run into spoilers', so I think it's fair game here if it's in the story. The one thing I picked up on that no ones has mentioned is when Frank tells Marjorie that (parphrase) it's only brave if you have a choice. doesn't Jamie tell Claire the exact same thing (I think in DIA)? (NT) -- jayn, 04:58:37 11/18/10 Thu
I read the new story last night and LOVED it! My husband was watching me read it and asked about it since I had so many expressions on my face. I laughed, my heart was racing, and then I was so sad. I always hoped that Roger would be able to meet up with his Father again. Who were the travelers that helped Jerry? One dark, one fair, green eyes. I tossed and turned all night thinking about it. -- CarolSR, 06:07:36 11/17/10 Wed

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- Carol, Have you read Echo? If so, think about two men near the end of the book. (Don't want to give anything away if you haven't read it.) (NT) -- Bess, 06:14:24 11/17/10 Wed
  - Bess, I have read Echo..looks like I need to read it again :) There are so many characters dancing in my head I cant keep them all straight :) (NT) -- CarolSR, 11:06:50 11/17/10 Wed
    - Carol, if you've read Echo, then you should recognize the one with black hair and moss green eyes, who come from around Inverness, and have some knowledge of standing stones! *g* Man, that story was something - more holes dug (NT) -- Ruthgold18, 12:05:24 11/17/10 Wed
- I just finished it this morning, I felt the same as you Carol, I was happy to see Roger's parents together and then I was crying at the end. I kind of knew it couldn't end really happy but wow, DG did it again! (NT) -- LisaW, 09:57:43 11/17/10 Wed
- I just got the book and started reading. Oh boy how DG grabs a hold of the reader and one just has to enjoy the ride :) (NT) -- Helka, 10:39:25 11/17/10 Wed
- I flipped out when I realized that Frank Randall was a Captain and therefore "Captain Randall." My mind flew back to Black Jack. The story keeps me guessing. (NT) -- CarolSR, 18:00:58 11/17/10 Wed
- I'm new here. What new story? Don't laugh, but you all are discussing many books. Thanks. (NT) -- Niseold, 07:53:38 12/05/10 Sun
I wonder if Diana has any shares in a blood pressure medication company? -- jayn, 18:03:51 11/16/10 Tue
I'm almost as worked up as I was at the end of Echo. I need to know more NOW! What happens next? Great story, loved it. To be honest I found it a teensy bit hard to get into but by the third page I was hooked - I would compare it to a story where there are two separate plot lines and when the 2nd one is introduced you only want to go back to the first. (only of course, the first in this case is Jamie, Claire et al and they're not in Leaf. But that kind of 'hey what happened to my story' feeling. But once I got going - wow!

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Got it today and read it twice. Wow! Answers some questions from Echo, raises more for Book 8, and made me cry a lot. Loved it! -- STargove, 14:39:57 11/16/10 Tue

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- I've only read it once, but I agree. Wow! What a fabulous ride that was! Thoroughly enjoyed it! (NT) -- Lady Jay, 19:53:40 11/16/10 Tue
It's here, it's here. Back in a while. -- jayn, 10:56:08 11/15/10 Mon

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- My book just arrived electronically...now I have to wait all day til I get home from work to read it! I can't wait. (NT) -- CarolSR, 06:03:45 11/16/10 Tue
I lent my copy of The Exile to a friend at work who I hosed. She told me the other day that she hasn't gotten a chance to read it yet, but her DH devoured it and loved it. Now he wants to read Outlander. He loved the politics of the clan and the battles with the English. Made me laugh, as I thought about how DG says that when people ask her what her books are about, she varies her message, depending on the demographic of the questioner. Apparently, she knows whereof she speaks, since friend and I love J&C's love story whle her DH likes the war stuff. -- TerriC, 18:06:09 11/14/10 Sun

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I'm considering buying the new anthology in Kindle version. -- Judie, 11:50:59 11/14/10 Sun
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I see it's nearly as expensive as the anthology - hahahahha. But no shipping and I get to read it right away. Today, even, I think - looks like I can d/l right now!

I'll check it out.

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- Inquiring minds want to know—did it work? *G* I'll be buying the anthology in some form. I read stuff by just about all of the contributing authors, so I'm looking forward to it. (NT) -- Lady Jay, 11:57:14 11/14/10 Sun
  - Mine worked! I read it Wednesday. I love my kindle for iPhone! I'm looking forward to reading the other authors too. (NT) -- Cathryn_L, 02:49:12 11/18/10 Thu
- Nope - dang! Delivery November 16th. :D (NT) -- Judie, 12:02:49 11/14/10 Sun
  - Oh well, it was worth a try, eh? (NT) -- Lady Jay, 16:30:40 11/14/10 Sun
    - Well, there is no record of me preordering it so I wonder if it didn't go through. But I'm afraid to do it again or I'll have two copies - hahahaha. So I'll wait until Tuesday and see if I get an e-mail saying it's time to download. :D (NT) -- Judie, 18:07:39 11/14/10 Sun
- oooh too bad you have to wait. i have to wait too tho but the 'instant' option sounded good. (NT) -- oorjanie, 21:49:59 11/15/10 Mon
  - Yep, the order DID go through and it's now on my iPhone and iPad. :D (NT) -- Judie, 06:37:50 11/16/10 Tue
Bad neighbour / Good neighbour. -- jayn, 10:06:46 11/08/10 Mon
Remember the neighbour who lost my Exile? Well he bought me a new one, then found my old one and returned it (I told him to keep it but he didn't want it). Plus I got s signed one from Herself. Which means I now have 3 copies. My sis wants one but I would be happy to send one to someone in need. Email inside the first response.

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- Email me at woodruffs at rogers cot com. First come/first served. (NT) -- jayn, 10:07:11 11/08/10 Mon
  - I'd like the copy if you still have it! -- Donna, 10:03:20 11/09/10 Tue
    - Thank you! (NT) -- Donna, 15:03:30 11/09/10 Tue
- Very nice of you, lallypal. :D (NT) -- Judie, 22:21:25 11/09/10 Tue
My copy arrived yesterday!!! -- Sorcha, 08:57:48 11/06/10 Sat
A gazillion thanks again to Missa for sending it to me!!! I sat down and read it this morning. I enjoyed it very much, especially seeing more from Murtaugh's perspective. I'm going to have to go back and re-read again soon as well, because I just devoured it this time.

I like the fact that the artwork wasn't able to replace my visuals of the story, but instead it seems to have enhanced them. I think the only thing about the art that I wasn't crazy about was the fact that it seemed inconsistent... people looked different on different pages. That in no way detracted from my enjoyment though.

I was surprised at the Kenneth storyline and at seeing even more of Geillis' treachery. It was also pretty interesting to see that Murtaugh knew much more about Claire than we realized.

Overall, I love the book. I really like that Diana has given us a new way to enjoy the story we so love.

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- I am almost finished listening (for the first time) to the audio of Outlander. The notion that Murtagh 'knew' really puts a lot of that into different perspective. I know that Diana didn't know that Murtagh knew, but even so. (NT) -- jayn, 13:30:57 11/06/10 Sat
- I am glad you liked it. I also read it 3 or 4 times to make sure I got everything out of it I thought I could get. Yeah, I thought Murtagh's reaction to Claire-his suspicions, his wanting to get rid of her, his not understanding what Jamie was thinking keeping her around-was a lot more understandable considering what he saw at the standing stones. Also, you gotta wonder who else he told about that experience; he didn't hold back that he thought she was an Auld One, so perhaps it explains a little about Colum & Dougal's treatment of her, too, not just Jamie as the threat to their rule? (NT) -- Missa, 16:26:58 11/06/10 Sat
- Seek and ye shall find. :D (NT) -- Judie, 13:34:03 11/07/10 Sun
Just got my copy this week (bundled it with the new Dresden Files book so I could get free shipping). I'm still processing. I have to go back and look for the details in all the pictures. Going long: -- MacPudel, 16:47:15 10/30/10 Sat
Let me put my likes first: this is definitely the most lavish graphic novel I have ever seen. Most are black and white (e.g. Maus, Persepolis). When the "author" is not the illustrator, the GN is usually *much* shorter (e.g. the Serenity, Buffy, or Dresden comics). Because Diana understands the medium, she's art directed this more than usual. When I imagine the books, I usually imagine the main characters in the scene, but the rest is hazy. That's why I enjoy researching (mostly online) settings and costumes. So my favorite parts in the GN are the panoramas and group scenes. For example, when the English gunfire was like bright sparks across the valley. I also thought the scenes in Hall were amazing - I never imagined the dress outfits like that and clearly Diana dictated what they should be. As far as the boobage - which is significant - it certainly piqued DH's interest as he read over my shoulder ("boys of a certain age" indeed!). Perhaps it's supposed to symbolize Claire's sexuality? Walter was actually disappointed not to see some detail of Claire's bum, but decided that the artist was a "breast man". On the negative side, the characters do change a lot from panel to panel, not just over the passage of time (unless you count time in minutes). They are indeed elfin at times. But once you relax and decide that no one can take "your Jamie" from you, it's fine.

As for Kenneth, he is clearly crazy (like Geillis, but in his own way). And he had his own beliefs about how the passage should be accomplished, so perhaps being naked was part of it. Why shouldn't there be other TTs that got through? Otter Tooth was one of a group. Perhaps we will find Raymond in 20th century Scotland. I think we'll see more TT'ing in the next book, with the stage being set by Kenneth and Buck in Echo, and the plot thread of the Frenchman's Gold.

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- I kind of hope we don't get too much TT. The little there has been, combined with the feelings of presences etc.(like Sun QOTD) is exactly enough 'magic' for me, any more and it will become unbelievable. Right now, I can 'accept' the TT there is, and the sense of someone there. But if, for example, it turns out that Lallybroch is actually alive (ie the hint that the number of windows changes) then I will disapointed. (NT) -- jayn, 18:19:53 10/30/10 Sat
  - HI Jayn, just wondering..what are you talking about when you refer to Lallybroch being alive?? You have piqued my curiosity...!! (NT) -- persianquinn, 10:40:34 10/31/10 Sun
    - In Echo Roger remarks that the children can never get teh same count when they count the windows in the house. He also notices at one point that the windows are newly clean and sparkly. He assumes the hired girl Annie did it but wonders at the size of the job and he certainly thinks he would have noticed ladders and buckets etc. Interesting to think about. (NT) -- kgp, 10:46:51 11/01/10 Mon
      - That's right, and there are a few other, actually several other, brief references to the house having a personality, seeming playful, caring for those who belong there etc. Nothing that, each by itself, means anything but I'm wondering if they don't add up to a hint of some kind. (NT) -- jayn, 11:40:33 11/01/10 Mon
      - OOO..thank you for clearing that up..it actually made me feel spooky even though the house is and has been full of love..i just got the chills...thank you for clarifying. (NT) -- persianquinn, 19:52:00 11/07/10 Sun
- I've only looked through it once, I was too anxious to read the story to pay much attention to the pics and will go back at some point. I think your observations are correct regarding the changes in the appearances from panel to panel. I found that hard to deal with so ignored it. (NT) -- kgp, 10:48:36 11/01/10 Mon
So my neighbor lent me her copy of Exile and I devoured it. May I post the negative and positive thoughts here? Or just positive? Thank you! :) -- persianquin, 08:05:59 10/25/10 Mon

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- Persianquin - Forgive me if I should recongnize your name but I think you are new so I'll jump on this one - First and formost keep in mind this is a forum for fans of Diana and her books, not for bashers. You are welcome to post either positive or negative, as long as the negative isn't nasty and you don't go on and no. By nasty I mean you can say 'I didn't like x' or even 'I don't understand why DG had her character do x' but not 'DG is stupid for writing x'. Part of what makes this place great is that we can, and often do, respectfully and intelligently disagree with one-another about this or that scene or this or that character - but we all love the books as a whole. I personally loved Exile but not everyone did, and all thoughts are welcome, keeping in mind this is a forum for fans, not bashers. *G* (NT) -- jayn, 08:14:37 10/25/10 Mon
  - Has anybody ever posted "Diana is stupid for writing xxx"? (NT) -- sharon fisher, 08:06:12 10/26/10 Tue
    - If they did I think Judie'd be on it pretty quick. The post, I mean, not the xxx. *G*. (NT) -- jayn, 11:16:28 10/26/10 Tue
    - These boards have been around a long time and every once in a while sh*& disturbers wander in. (NT) -- Jodi YoB, 21:51:25 10/27/10 Wed
- Hi Jayn, nothing to forgive..I am mostly a lurker on the boards but I do post from time to time. I love love love the books and Diana herself..so I did get a chance to notice the other messages further down regarding posting. I agree that we should be respectful and there are plenty of places to go on the net to be negative. Okay, onto the book..LOL! (went long) -- persianquinn, 09:20:10 10/25/10 Mon
Suitable punishment? -- jayn, 03:47:35 10/25/10 Mon
My neighbour has lost (yes your heard right, lost) my copy of Exile.

What would be appropirate punishment?

Of course he has sworn he will replace it next time he's near a book store, but it won't be my original, drool infused copy, and I wonder if it will be a 1st printing?

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- Oh no! It wasn't a signed copy, was it? (NT) -- Karen Henry, 03:50:42 10/25/10 Mon
  - No. That I would not forgive. (NT) -- jayn, 05:25:11 10/25/10 Mon
- How in the world does one LOSE a book? Did he leave it on a bus? At the airport? Drop it down an outhouse? What in the world? Please be sure this person knows exactly how important this book is to you and request that he find a bookstore that still has a first edition. It's the least he can do. So sorry for your loss . . . I feel your pain. (Didn't some famous person use that line? LOL) (NT) -- CathyS, 06:56:05 10/25/10 Mon
  - I lost someone's book (The Power of One) one time and I haven't forgiven myself. I was reading it during DD's dance class and went to the bathroom and set it on top of the paper towel holder. I walked out, sat down for a little while and then soon realized I was missing the book. Went right back in and it was gone!! I asked the front desk if someone turned it in. No one saw it, I never saw anyone with it. It disappeared! I was so bummed someone would take it like that and this was a christian dance studio - you'd think folks there would be more honest! (NT) -- Stephanie M, 08:35:38 10/25/10 Mon
    - I just looked up that book. I think it has to go on my TBR list. Were you enjoying it ? Did you ever finish it? (NT) -- CathyS, 11:05:03 10/25/10 Mon
      - It was a great movie, too. With Morgan Freeman. May be hard to find as it wasn't a big production. I made my kids watch it when they were younger. It's one of those "things you need to know about the world." (NT) -- Cyndi, 14:30:18 10/26/10 Tue
      - It was a great book. I read it years ago, but remember really liking it. (NT) -- MonicaW, 06:39:19 10/29/10 Fri
- Jayn, just saw this post - Horrors! They BETTER replace it fast - and maybe get it signed as well. Give them the Poisoned Pen address and tell them to have it shipped. I would be so distraught if I ever lost a book someone had loaned to me. (NT) -- Ruthgold18, 10:05:59 11/01/10 Mon
A Halloween treat -- Karen Henry, 03:44:36 10/24/10 Sun
I just saw this and could not resist passing it along.

A Pumpkin Homage to The Exile

Really, the creativity of OUTLANDER fans never ceases to amaze me! My mind boggles at the amount of effort and skill it must have taken to do that. <g> And this is just hilarious, especially if you've seen page 5 of THE EXILE.

Thanks to Blue Moon for putting that together, and to Carol at My Outlander Purgatory for the link.

Enjoy!

Karen

blogging at Outlandish Observations

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- Love it!!! (NT) -- monicaW, 04:28:24 10/24/10 Sun
- ROFL!!! (NT) -- JustGina, 06:00:49 10/24/10 Sun
- That is amazing. And my ds is throughly disgusted. LOL. (NT) -- jayn, 07:32:30 10/24/10 Sun
- She's very talented and has a great blog. (NT) -- Judie, 08:55:06 10/24/10 Sun
- Too funny!!! (NT) -- Stephanie M, 08:38:22 10/25/10 Mon
- Wow!! That's fantastic - I can't even manage triangle eyes and crooked teeth on my pumpkin, let alone Jamie's ass!! (NT) -- TerriC, 06:51:23 10/26/10 Tue
- That is so great!!!! Thanks for posting it! (NT) -- LisaW, 18:05:41 10/30/10 Sat
Dougal -- Kirsten, 04:23:46 10/23/10 Sat
I've just started reading Exile (I've had it a couple of weeks but wanted to finish my current book so I could give it my full attention) The thing that I've noticed first is the artist's interpretation of Dougal. In my mind's eye he always has a black beard - very handsome but definitely bearded. Where DID I get that from? Anyone else the same?

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- Kirsten - at compuserve there is a trivia game; that question was asked not too long ago, so I can be fairly sure in answering you. In different places Dougal's colouring is described differently. Sometimes he is dark, with dark hair, sometimes dark with brown, and sometime auburn or russet hair. We sort of pooled the descriptions and decided he is swarthy skinned, with dark auburn hair that seems black at night and red in the sun. If you go to Amazon.com and do the 'look inside' feature for Outlander, then search Dougal, you can find the various references. (NT) -- jayn (), 05:13:52 10/23/10 Sat
  - Thank you. x (NT) -- Kirsten, 12:52:08 10/27/10 Wed
So I've read through all the posts and have noticed that some folks aren't enamored of the new book.... -- Sorcha, 17:10:28 10/21/10 Thu
Is there any chance you'd be willing to hand it off to a Hoser who just can't afford it right now?

Having quit my job and spent a small fortune (to me) to start up my real estate career has made for a very tight budget. Absolutely nothing but necessities for a while, which includes books for fun. I've been up to the bookstore a few times to browse through it, but I haven't been able to just sit down and read it there because it will just make me want it have it even more.

I'm not begging for a handout by any means, I'm just trying to see if someone who really didn't care for The Exile would be interested in passing it on to someone who is dying to own it. You can be assured that it will be in a loving home. If so, thank you in advance and you can email me at melissakatzenberger at gmail dot com.

Boss lady Judie, if you think this is inappropriate I will not in the least be offended if you delete it.

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- Hey, no harm in asking. :D (NT) -- Judie, 07:01:28 10/22/10 Fri
  - Awesome, thanks! No takers yet, but a girl can hope. (NT) -- Sorcha, 16:07:19 10/22/10 Fri
    - Hi, Sorcha. E-mail me your info and you can have my copy. I liked it and read it several times-it's a quick read-but it didn't add much to my overall Outlander experience. I don't mind parting with my copy for someone who deserves it. (NT) -- Missa, 20:07:24 10/26/10 Tue
      - Email sent! Thank you so so so much!!! *doing happy dance* (NT) -- Sorcha, 13:55:00 10/27/10 Wed
i got my print of Claire. not really sure what to do with it. any ideas? of course it is gorgeous artwork but wont' ppl ask why i have a picture of a woman i dont' know up and it's bigger than any 'family' pics i even own hahaha? then of course it was $20 postage to send a print. seems extortionate to me although i am guessing they just charged what USPS was charging? anyhoo i think if i put it up i'd have to get another copy of "THE EXILE" and then cut out some pictures and put them up too so it didn't seem so weird lol. i do like the way it was done. anyone with theirs want to share any thoughts? -- oorjanie, 20:08:37 10/20/10 Wed

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- It's a signed and numbered limited-edition art print. Frame it and display it proudly - I'm going to! (NT) -- STargove, 06:33:02 10/22/10 Fri
  - What she said. :D (NT) -- Judie, 07:01:53 10/22/10 Fri
  - what number was yours? i wonder who got 1/150...... mine was 14/150 (NT) -- oorjanie, 12:09:53 10/22/10 Fri
- anybody want to purchase one? (NT) -- BetsyG, 17:09:10 11/04/10 Thu
I posted this on CS too but didn't really get alot of response but wouldn't it be awesome if there was a 2011 calendar with all of the best prints? I would love to have that up all year and since Hoang has the prints he could just blow them up I am guessing. I bet they'd sell alot. and the best pic would have to be for MAY hehe:) -- oorjanie, 19:16:26 10/13/10 Wed

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- Oh I love this idea janie, let's push for it. Maybe they'd like to do it to raise funds for literacy or something. (NT) -- jayn, 05:06:13 10/14/10 Thu
- Great idea. But, knowing how much work would be involved, I think it would have to be a 2012 calendar. :) (NT) -- Judie, 11:32:42 10/14/10 Thu
  - hehe OK. i'd even wait til then lol:) i was just overly optimistic for sure (NT) -- oorjanie, 12:06:57 10/14/10 Thu
    - Hoang should set it up online. He puts all the graphics up and you choose your own 12 graphics for the calendar. Order it, they print it. Woo you're done. :) (NT) -- Judie, 15:09:56 10/14/10 Thu
      - i could make it real easy and get 12 of unexpurgated page 5. mwahaha (NT) -- oorjanie, 15:03:50 10/15/10 Fri
        
        Hahaha. Hoser!!!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- Judie, 20:13:41 10/15/10 Fri
- With as many pictures as they are, they could do a Calendar every year...until book 100 comes out!!! (NT) -- Ayira, 14:56:42 10/14/10 Thu
- New Video -- Nikki, 12:50:28 10/19/10 Tue
  - thanks nikki, gonna check it out!!! (NT) -- oorjanie, 20:09:02 10/20/10 Wed
  - I saw the video - who was the gal from WV? (NT) -- Judie, 07:02:35 10/22/10 Fri
Art Question -- Sarah, 21:42:49 10/11/10 Mon
Hello to everyone! I'm new here--I read the QOTD regularly, but have never posted before--but I've loved these books and characters for years.
I really enjoyed The Exile and the different perspective it showed--it was interesting to get insight into Murtagh's thoughts. Jamie and Claire weren't quite as I've pictured them, but I didn't expect them to be able to match up with my imagination exactly and it didn't ruin my enjoyment of the book at all. There was something about The Exile I was curious about and was wondering if any of you ladies might know more about it.

I couldn't help noticing that Claire's gold wedding band from Frank was absent throughout the graphic novel and we also never saw the silver band that Jamie gave to her upon their return to Leoch after their wedding. Although it was never discussed, I always felt that her original wedding band helped refute accusations of being a whore and gave some credibility to her story of being a respectable lady traveling to meet family in France, and with the bigger focus on the ring in the subsequent books it seems to me that its absence is not something Diana would have overlooked when going over Hoang's artwork.

I know that Diana had said that Claire's dress was changed from the floral pattern described in Outlander to the solid blue seen in The Exile due to the difficulty in producing the pattern in multiple art panels and I realize that a wedding band would be a tiny detail to have to reproduce in multiple panels (and I also noticed that in many of the panels where her hands were clearly visible, her left hand was covered or blocked a good majority of the time). Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but her bare hands stood out to me. I'm wondering if the ring was left out intentionally due to the nature of tiny detail it would require or some other artistic restraints similar to the dress, and maybe her hand was blocked in so many of those panels to try and hide the fact that the ring was missing...?

I'm just wondering if leaving the ring out was a conscious decision. Does anyone know if Diana has ever commented on this as she did with the dress?

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- Hi Sarah and welcome. Prepared to give up life as you know it. I'm not sure if I read this or made it up (I do that sometimes) but I have a notion that somewhere I heard it is very hard to draw something like a ring in this type of art because it ends up making the finger look like it was cut off. Could be wrong. (NT) -- jayn, 04:56:47 10/12/10 Tue
- i think she did answer this for someone. if i find it, i will post it. i'm thinking that maybe Hoang wasn't told that some things were a MUST like, she must have 2 rings on etc. but he more focused on the general story in a broader context. just my opinion of course. and plus he probably hasn't read O a zillion times like all of us:) (NT) -- oorjanie, 19:15:26 10/13/10 Wed
- Thanks! -- Sarah, 17:04:19 10/16/10 Sat
- Diana answered this yesterday on Compuserve as follows: "No reasoning; I just didn't include a panel that showed a closeup of her hands, and never thought to tell Hoang to make sure her rings showed!" (NT) -- Karen Henry, 04:03:33 10/18/10 Mon
- You ladies are awesome, my curiosity has been sated. Thank you!! (NT) -- Sarah, 21:31:54 10/21/10 Thu
don't you wish THE EXILE had one of those fabric bookmark thingys - you know thin sort of ribbon that you can put on whatever page you are on? i think that would have been neat -- oorjanie, 17:57:35 10/08/10 Fri

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- Agreed! :) (NT) -- Judie, 18:14:02 10/08/10 Fri
- Yeah, I know what page mine would put a permanent grove into. (NT) -- jayn, 18:15:39 10/08/10 Fri
  - OHMY! :D (NT) -- Judie, 19:34:20 10/08/10 Fri
- oh YES! ME too! and I know which pic I WISH was the one they sent me! (NT) -- BetsyG, 17:04:39 10/13/10 Wed
this is interesting. maybe they'd do this for THE EXILE -- oorjanie, 17:47:19 10/08/10 Fri

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- **link is to Janet Evanovich GN that will have iphone etc app** (NT) -- oorjanie, 17:48:14 10/08/10 Fri
  - Here you go: Click HERE. :) (NT) -- Judie, 18:12:38 10/08/10 Fri
    - thank you. wouldn't it be cool looking at THE EXILe on your ipad??? i think you mentioned it before. maybe there is hope if the JE one is onto that sorta thign (NT) -- oorjanie, 23:08:23 10/08/10 Fri
      - This is just for the iPhone or iPod touch. It would be MUCH better on an iPad. It's just a preview of 19 pages of an iPhone size but .... I think it would be really cool to have The Exile on an iPad. :) (NT) -- Judie, 12:22:35 10/09/10 Sat
        
        oh i totally thought it said ipad as well........ DEF having the exile on it would be so awesome (NT) -- oorjanie, 14:47:43 10/11/10 Mon
- You'd think that 'Apple' would sponsor this in some way. It makes me consider an IPad over my Kindle. (NT) -- Lolly S, 00:32:23 10/09/10 Sat
Murtagh at the Abbey -- jayn, 13:17:11 10/08/10 Fri
In light of the fact that Murtagh saw Claire come through the stones, what do you think went through his mind when Jamie asked him to take her back to Craig na Dun while they were at the Abbey? Did Murtagh tell Jamie he knew then? By this point I think Murtagh had accepted Claire and accepted that, whatever she might be, she is Jamie's life mate and it's for the good. In hindsight, (and Diana didn't know when she wrote Outlander that Murtagh knew, she has said so) Murtagh was awfully casual telling Claire what Jamie wanted, I think he knew full well she wouldn't go...but he knew she could. Thoughts, anyone?

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- Murtagh knows Claire's value to Jamie at this point. Especially since she proved her mettle at Wentworth, in getting him rescued. He doesn't want her to go, and would stall long enough to keep her there at the Abbey with Jamie, until she can prevail. Murtagh would use all his caginess to delay in carrying out Jamie's wishes, to the point where --hopefully, given Claire's stubborn determination-- he won't have to. (NT) -- Lemora, 14:12:14 10/08/10 Fri
- I think Murtagh knows as well as Claire that if she were to leave Jamie, for whatever reason, that Jamie would die. So whether Claire was a "Fairy woman," or "Auld one," or whatever she is, at this moment in time, she is the only thing keeping Jamie glued to the planet, so Murtagh would not want to carry out Jamie's order. And as he said in another frame, whatever she is, if Jamie wants her, well, he can deal with it.......or cut her throat later. If nothing else, Murtagh is practical and pragmatic, so he's going to do whatever is logical to him and I'm sure he knows that Claire wouldn't go no matter what anyway, so why get excited about it? (NT) -- Missa, 15:36:46 10/08/10 Fri
got email from PP that the print is on the way. it's not totally what i imagined (claire up close portrait) but im' excited -- oorjanie, 10:35:36 10/08/10 Fri

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- Are all the prints the same, Oorjanie? (NT) -- Judie, 11:34:16 10/08/10 Fri
  - yes - before they were sent we just knew that Hoang had been commissioned to do a Limited Edition print. Now I've heard through the grapevine that they are portraits of Claire - all the same. There is some talk of maybe others in the future (NT) -- oorjanie, 16:56:48 10/08/10 Fri
What The Hell!? -- Judie, 12:35:15 10/07/10 Thu
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Did everyone give up on reading this #1 bestselling book? :)

I just haven't had time to sit and finish it, but it's right on my coffee table.

I really must finish it - or at least look at the pictures - Jamie's THAT CUTE! :)

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- Sorry - that should be #1 best selling Graphic Novel. :) (NT) -- Judie, 12:35:44 10/07/10 Thu
- I went and loaned mine to my veerrryyy sslllooowww reading neighbour. I am an idiot. On the plus side, I moved a bunch of copies from the back GN section to the main fiction section with the rest of Diana's books at Chapters today. (left some in GN to cover all the bases) (NT) -- jayn, 14:14:52 10/07/10 Thu
- I've read it once and am on my 2nd reread. I liked it and already rated it on Amazon. (NT) -- Gina-C, 19:46:46 10/07/10 Thu
- I loved it the first time and started to reread it today. I also posted a positive review on Amazon. Jamie is cute, Claire looks great (just like Reilly! *G*) and even Murtagh is kinda hot. DG did it again! (NT) -- CathyS, 20:21:51 10/07/10 Thu
- Anonymous posts are deleted. (NT) -- Judie, 01:49:23 10/08/10 Fri
- Honestly, Judie? I think there is not more action because people can't speak their minds freely. I understand "the rules" and so does everyone else. (NT) -- conmama, 07:43:10 10/08/10 Fri
  - Well, my original post was in jest. But, if we use your premise and are to conclude that a lack of volume of responses means that all the other responses that aren't being posted are negative - i.e. in the vein of "shoddy artwork" - then I'd rather not have the posts, personally. If the discussion is going to die a natural death, that's fine, too. (NT) -- Judie, 08:54:48 10/08/10 Fri
    - To be truly honest Judie I think the 'natural death' may be happening. We had a flurry of posts when Exile first came out, and I shared pretty much everything I had to say. It's a great book but there really isn't that much about it to generate discussion. I did have one thought, thus the new post above. (NT) -- jayn, 13:13:24 10/08/10 Fri
      - I hear you, jayn. I still have only read a few chapters and need to actually FINISH it - then I might have a few comments. Pondering how we could have a QOTD kind of thing *G*. (NT) -- Judie, 13:46:12 10/08/10 Fri
        
        I'm sure we could have a 'discuss a page' (although there is no page numbers. or discuss a chapter - both art and dialogue - then again i'd want to do the bedroom chapter haha (NT) -- oorjanie, 17:00:18 10/08/10 Fri
        
        Yeah, I think that maybe discussing a page could work. Just call it page "x" of whichever chapter. Could be fun! But I agree that there's only so much to discuss as far as the storyline, so I'm not surprised that things have slowed. (NT) -- Lady Jay, 17:13:46 10/08/10 Fri
    - I love reading other's comments on the main board - and there are true discussions there. But as conmama said, we know the rules here and apparently a lot ofpeople feel that a "discussion" means that you get to freely state your opinion. I'm one of those, I said how I felt about both the artwork and the storyline right after the book came out. And since it's not truly an open discussion, I'll just see what others are saying on the main board. I understand that this amazing forum is Judi's and that she decides how we behave here. Dissension really isn't encouraged. And honestly, I wonder how the Revolutionaries would have survived in that environment. (NT) -- Robin, 05:02:08 10/09/10 Sat
      - Just for the record, the "main board" has the same rules as does this board. I don't find people trashing the artwork to be a discussion. Many people were tired of that sort of commentary, not just me. There are many discussions on Compuserve, of which about 4 or 5 are about The Exile's artwork. Have you gone there to discuss your thoughts? Perhaps you will find them more to your liking. (NT) -- Judie, 12:39:42 10/09/10 Sat
        
        late to the program but i'm with you judie. i enjoy constructive discussion and honestly if i want negativity i could go read those sort of comments on amazon or elsewhere. this is a place I know i can come and say how much i love the book without people saying 'oh but this and that.' (NT) -- oorjanie, 15:06:32 10/11/10 Mon
        
        Yes, Robin do come and join us at Compuserve. There are discussions of the story and artwork from Exile. All opinions are welcome. And as a bonus, if there's something you don't like or that you have a quesiton about, you can get direct answers to your questions from Diana (NT) -- Sheila H, 09:28:20 10/12/10 Tue
  - I agree; I've pretty much quit posting here because every time I post I get jumped on. So I just read. (NT) -- sharon fisher, 05:52:56 10/09/10 Sat
    - That is a sweeping generalization, Sharon. You made 2 or 3 comments on this board and no one jumped on you. You then said you were disappointed that you couldn't say your negative feelings ... and I replied to you and we had an exchange. No one jumped on you. (NT) -- Judie, 12:44:37 10/09/10 Sat
      - I'm not talking about just the last several postings, I'm talking about a pattern of behavior over a number of months. (NT) -- sharon fisher, 04:28:53 10/10/10 Sun
        
        Sharon, this is just for the record. I checked all boards and you have posted twice on the Books Board. No one replied. You posted 11 times on this board, and no one has jumped on you. And the Books Board goes back to May 2010. So, I'm not seeing any pattern. (NT) -- Judie, 11:25:49 10/10/10 Sun
        
        I've been on this board for *years*. Since before Fiery Cross, at least. I think before Drums. And the bar for 'negative posts' seemed to me to get lower and lower during all that time. I can't remember how many years ago I quit reading the Books board regularly because I got tired of the same old QOTD and "Is the ghost Jamie?" questions and just read the boards for the new books as they came out, and the spoilers board. Then the spoilers board quit being updated regularly and I posted some excerpts that I'd run across, and got criticized for that too, so I quit doing that. I'm obviously not the only person who feels this way. And you know, as you point out, it's your board, you're entitled to run it the way you want. But there was a discussion on the lack of traffic, and I responded to it, and now you're trying to claim I'm some sort of disgruntled newbie when I've been here more than ten years. (NT) -- sharon fisher, 03:16:12 10/11/10 Mon
        
        Sharon, I never claimed you were a newbie. You mentioned "a pattern of behavior over a number of months" so I went to every board and searched for posts by you and was reporting the facts. Because you made a sweeping generalization about your treatment here and I am not about to let that stand unanswered. >>>> -- Judie, 10:15:05 10/11/10 Mon
        
        And popping in really late and not that anyone is even going to read this but the only person responsible for "updating" the Excerpt board is DG because if she doesn't post anything, how the hell can I?>>>>>> -- Vicki, 18:05:09 10/15/10 Fri
- I love this book. I just paged through it again yesterday, reading my favorite parts and just enjoying the pictures. I'm hoping to get it signed by Diana today :) (NT) -- Lady Oliver, 08:00:41 10/08/10 Fri
  - nice! can't wait to hear about it (NT) -- oorjanie, 16:58:21 10/08/10 Fri
- Jamie definately so cute! I have been paging through it again and again since I got it. But then i forget to come and post my brilliant wisdom. haha (NT) -- oorjanie, 16:57:51 10/08/10 Fri
- I also prefer more open discussions. I think all views are interesting and make me think a little harder about how I really feel. I like to hear everyone's opinion, whether it agrees with mine or not. I get bored with the discussions where everyone agrees and the responses are almost all the same. I usually just skip these. But there are other places to read more open discussions a least. (NT) -- klm, 12:17:15 10/09/10 Sat
  - Interesting that you prefer "more open discussions" and there are "other places" for that - yet, here you are telling us that.. (NT) -- Judie (), 12:47:41 10/09/10 Sat
    - *High 5* Judie!!!! (NT) -- Cherie, 22:00:22 10/09/10 Sat
      - Hugs to Judie ---I can NOT believe you still have to police after the discussion below! Anyway my copy is on my coffee table THIS book is a coffee table book and I plan to pick it up again to reread and re"view" because its really about viewing the pics soon! (NT) -- BetsyG, 17:03:58 10/13/10 Wed
  - where are you reading the more open discussions, klm? (NT) -- sharon fisher, 04:30:03 10/10/10 Sun
    - Sharon, If you would like discussions whrere there are dissenting opinions and you get a chance to hear what other's think and maybe hear something that gives you something new to think about come join us at Compuserve. (NT) -- Sheila H, 09:31:41 10/12/10 Tue
      - yeah, I've been dipping my toe in over there. There's so much discussion it looks pretty overwhelming. :) But I'd already seen several discussions that looked interesting. thanks! (NT) -- sharon fisher, 04:30:02 10/14/10 Thu
        
        Sharon, do feel free to post anytime on Compuserve. :-) Not just about THE EXILE, but anything else you find interesting. Don't feel you have to read through all the discussions before you post! (NT) -- Karen Henry, 03:33:09 10/15/10 Fri
        
        Oddly, I usually do prefer to read what other people say first, so I don't repeat stuff or ask about stuff that's already been discussed a million times. Thanks for the encouragement! (NT) -- sharon fisher, 06:20:32 10/16/10 Sat
- I read it three times the week I bought it, then lent it to a friend (who still has it....grrr). Please don't take this as a negative comment, but, much as I enjoyed "seeing" Outlander come to life, I don't see a lot to discuss. The plot was basically Outlander with a few twists (Kenneth and Murtagh seeing Claire come through the stones) and those twists have already been discussed here. I really have nothing more to add that would be of value or spark discussion. I wish I did. Oh, and I too, have been struggling with how to get a QOTD out of Exile and can't quite figure it out. (NT) -- TerriC, 06:09:10 10/14/10 Thu
- Hi Judie - I just think that there isn't much to discuss except the artwork that takes us into new territory. I think you, fairly, asked that we state negative opinions only once. So a discussion of how this or that was or was not rendered doesn't arise. Plus, this is not an artwork criticism group. If my memory serves, most energetic discussions have revolved around plot twists or character twists and this book introduces very little new in that realm. That is how I understand the lack of postings on this board. (NT) -- swarl, 11:13:00 10/15/10 Fri
Something has me bothered and this is the place! -- jayn, 17:30:59 10/03/10 Sun
If you were Mrs Fitz, and you had a 'guest' like Claire, would you burn her clothing, even if you didn't know what it was?

What did they think of her underwear, which I imagine she had on - to me that would seem far more scandalous to the 18th century ladies than the 'breest band'.

Also, if Claire had a bra on then how come her boobs were hanging out after her dress was ripped? (I wondered that the very first time I read the book)

Not being critical...just wondering.

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- Well, her bra was a strapless. Don't know why she would have needed a strapless with a regular dress on, but the thing Mrs. Fitz threw into the fire was strapless, so.......And if it was like the one I have for the strapless dress I have for more formal occassions, your boobs kind of roll over pretty easily if you engage in ~any~ kind of physical activity. So by the time her dress was torn, I imagine that silly strapless bra thing was most likely wrapped around her waiste by the time they got to the croft! But you're right about her underwear. Did they have polyester in the 40's? I think so, so I'd be more curious to know what they'd make of the polyester fabric in her underclothes than just the bra. (NT) -- Missa, 20:03:35 10/03/10 Sun
- The boobage was over the top, to coin a phrase. LOL A male view of 24/7 boobage peeping and panting. I mean, heck, none of us is shaped that way WITH a bra, let alone without one. But after 4 reads, I decided to let him have his fantasy. I'll take the story. (NT) -- swarl, 08:12:19 10/04/10 Mon
- Brassieres in the 1940's were bulletproof. They were heavy cotton and pointed with thick straps and several hooks and eyes to fasten. My mother's had a bulls-eye type stitching on the cups. The stretchy, mixed synthetic look and feel did not exist. When the world went to war, so did women's lingerie. I wondered on a first reading of "Outlander" how Claire could be hanging out of her clothes so much with one of these on. C'est la guerre. (NT) -- Lemora, 10:37:45 10/04/10 Mon
  - LOL Wonder Woman! The first time I saw her on TV I thought what a cheap outfit; they just gold plated mom's bra. :-) (NT) -- MelvaT, 14:38:04 10/12/10 Tue
The Exile on Kindle -- Judie, 13:55:53 10/03/10 Sun
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I think that The Exile would be great on Kindle. We could zoom in on different panels and .... I think it would be fun. :)

Just my random thought for the day.

Judie

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- haha love it! too funny. (NT) -- oorjanie, 18:54:17 10/03/10 Sun
  - Hey, I'd buy it. :D (NT) -- Judie, 23:29:06 10/03/10 Sun
- But does Kindle do color? I thought Kindle and Nook only had black & white, no color. I don't think the graphics would look as beautiful in b&w. (NT) -- Traci_Mc, 07:00:55 10/04/10 Mon
  - OH. Didn't know that. Then iBooks. I have an iPad. :) (NT) -- Judie, 07:45:23 10/04/10 Mon
    - oh you have an ipad! you lucky thing (NT) -- oorjanie, 17:13:11 10/04/10 Mon
- I love my Kindle but color would give me a good reason to buy at IPad! (NT) -- Lolly S, 07:44:38 10/04/10 Mon
Finally got my copy! -- Susannah, 08:34:05 10/02/10 Sat
I enjoyed my self, but I wondered if someone would be able to follow what was going on if they hadn't already read Outlander. But maybe that's just because I'm used to wordy books and not graphic novels. All in all, a pretty good time, but I have to say--too much with the boobies already!

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- There was a review from a guy who had never read any of the books and he followed it. He probably missed any potential "inside" information, but he seemed to follow it just fine. (NT) -- Judie, 23:00:11 10/02/10 Sat
- I mentioned a while ago that I think we feel that way simply because we do know there is more. People who are not familiar with 'the truth' seem to find Exile perfectly clear. Which is good. (NT) -- jayn, 05:09:48 10/03/10 Sun
did anyone order the limited edition print? ok i know some ppl did. did anyone get it yet? i need to live vicariously thru someone until mine even gets sent out. still not en route. is it just of claire? -- oorjanie, 21:15:13 09/27/10 Mon

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- I didn't order one but Diana confirmed on compuserve that the print is just of Claire. (NT) -- Lady Oliver, 06:50:23 09/28/10 Tue
- I thought I'd like one but thought they were just a bit expensive given what they are and that I have no place to put it up - if I had a room decorated with movie posters or such I would probably get it. (NT) -- jayn, 08:14:43 09/28/10 Tue
- Yes, it's a drawing of Claire in her nurse's uniform - head and shoulder view - there's her lovely hair and it's full face. I thought it was quite lovely, Janie, and you'll really like it when you get it. There were a fair number of people who bought one the night of the Launch down here in Phoenix. (NT) -- Ruthgold18, 10:29:51 09/29/10 Wed
  - i thought they (poisoned pen) commissioned him to do a new drawing. not that i don't love Claire but not sure i'll be hanging her up lol (NT) -- oorjanie, 21:00:23 09/29/10 Wed
- I'm waiting on my print to arrive too. I was really hoping for that price it would be more than one character and more of a group. This was DH's anniversary gift to me ... that's how I explained it to him and justified the cost anyway. (NT) -- AngieLass, 10:44:58 10/05/10 Tue
  - yes or even just a 'scene' rather than close-up portrait (NT) -- oorjanie, 12:11:29 10/05/10 Tue
    - Janie -- Just opened up my print. It's beautiful of Claire in her nurse uniform, but I'm so disappointed! Am I a sourpuss to complain? Out of all the beautiful landscapes and different character drawings in The Exile, this is the least of my favorites. I don't think of Claire in a 1940's nurse's uniform ever. (NT) -- AngieLass (sorry for the rant, folks), 08:09:46 10/06/10 Wed

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