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Date Posted: 08:04:05 09/23/10 Thu
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Judie
Subject: For those who do not like "The Exile", for whatever reason........
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Some of you do not like the graphic novel. Fair enough.
I think it's fair to let each person have a chance to say her/his piece about that, as long as it is respectful and constructive - ONCE! I don't think we need to hear it repetitively. That includes jumping in on someone else's comments of dislike.
This board - as with all of LOL - is for LOVERS of Diana's works - not naysayers, please!
Thanks.
Judie
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As I wrote below, it seems clear that we 'can't please all of the people all of the time' nor even, 'some of the people all of the time' but we can 'please some of the people some of the time'. -- Ruthgold18, 08:28:33 09/23/10 Thu
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As much as this breaks my heart.. I too didn't like the GN. I LOVE Diana's works and not liking this book makes me feel like I'm telling a good friend her baby is ugly. Perhaps I'm just not a comic book/graphic novel person. I found it hard to follow the story b/c so many of the men looked alike and I got distracted by Claire's "Dolly Parton" boobies. Trying to figure out what in the world was going on with the new "Traveler" really confused me. I still love all things Outlander but I think I will stick to the printed word from now on. I do appreciate the hard work by both Diana and the artist. Condensing the first 1/3 of Outlander into less than 100 pages is an amazing feat. I can't imagine how much time and talent it took to draw all those panels. I think GN are just not an art form that appeals to me; much like horror movies. -- RisaB, 09:02:48 09/23/10 Thu
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I also had trouble telling the men apart. And I have to say (once :) ) that it disappoints me that this board doesn't allow us to talk about our negative feelings about the books as well as the positive ones. Just like food needs sour tastes and not just unrelenting sweetness, I believe we get a fuller picture by being able to express our negative feelings as well as the positive ones. -- sharon fisher, 04:45:02 09/25/10 Sat
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Sharon, negative comments about Diana's books, whether you feel they are justified, just bring the tone of the boards down. Negativity breeds negative, IMHO. Then we get disagreements and things deteriorate. I've seen it a million times over the past 13+ years of running LOL *G*. So, I just don't want to hear that nonsense any more, plain and simple. If you want to blame someone, blame me. LOL was set up to celebrate Diana's books, not critique them. I had to put up with that before I started LOL - which is WHY I started LOL. I honestly do not CARE what someone DOESN'T LIKE about Diana's books. Sorry if that's not politically correct. I'm not a PC, I'm a Mac. *G* I'm sorry if there are things people don't like - but LOL is for folks to discuss what they DO like about her books. And if people don't like that, I'm sorry, but it's not going to change. -- Judie (), 13:15:47 09/25/10 Sat
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Political correctness has nothing to do with it. Some people just prefer a fuller type of discussion and find what some people consider to be 'negative' posts to help give them a better understanding of what's going on. I also find, frankly, that some people's bar for what constitutes a "negative" post is very low. However, as you point out, it's your board and you're entitled to run it the way you wish. -- sharon fisher, 05:47:59 09/26/10 Sun
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I am sure some people think I'm politically incorrect in that they feel I'm stomping all over their freedom of speech here. .... I also took a stroll through the Compuserve discussions about The Exile - you can click on the link above. There wasn't even 1% of the comments that were negative. Some people said they noticed an inconsistency in eye colour or hair colour here and there, but they were making an observation. And right after that, they would then continue on with everything they love about the book. But, this brings to mind, if you really feel constrained here why not try it on at the Compuserve boards - perhaps they will be more tolerant? I'd be interested to see just how that flies............... -- Judie, 09:40:49 09/26/10 Sun
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Judie and all: Any of you are welcome to post on Compuserve, anytime. :-) If you have a comment or a question about the books, if you want to nitpick the EXILE artwork under a magnifying glass, or if you just want to share your reactions to the new book, we'll be glad to welcome you over there. Diana likes to hear from her readers and fans. And no, the comments on Compuserve so far have NOT been universally positive. Having said that....if there's something you didn't like about THE EXILE (story, artwork, or both), it's OK to post it on Compuserve. Our only rule on Compuserve is that personal attacks on other members are not allowed. (Really, Diana doesn't mind people reacting negatively to one of her books. You should have heard the screaming and carrying-on over the Claire-Lord John subplot in ECHO.) -- Karen Henry, 10:23:36 09/26/10 Sun
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Great - I'll be interested to see the comments and Diana's responses. -- Judie, 10:28:21 09/26/10 Sun
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Judie, Thanks for tackling this and reinforcing the fact that this is a 'fan' site. I bought the book yesterday and love it. -- CathyS, 10:12:09 09/23/10 Thu
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Please come inside>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Merrymags, 11:01:42 09/23/10 Thu
I am, truthfully, torn about this. And I want to state that I have mulled over, for almost two hours, whether or not I should respond:
While I respect the message, I find myself conflicted. I haven't seen any comments posted here that are disrespectful or in the same vein as those when Diana's blog was poisoned by all the fanfic creeps. What I have read are opinions, visceral responses, to something that was excitedly anticipated. Who wasn't thrilled at the few images shared by Diana on her blog or website? (Only a very few had the honor to view images with Diana, hear her explanations, etc.) The lushness of color and landscape, the black and white images under construction, the first glimpses of Jamie and Claire - beloved by so many and, now, being brought "to life........"
Feelings are going to be quite disparate and expectations will have been exceeded, met, or disappointed. I find it very interesting to hear ALL opinions expressed, whether they agree with mine or not. It is my opinion that negative comments do not equate to a dislike of DG's works*. The post below was explicit, but I have to say I agree with just about everything said. Such a strong reaction indicates to me the feelings come from someone who knows these stories every bit as well as I, who is as impassioned by the story as I, and gives great credit to Diana, her creativity, her incredible talent, and, due to your encompassing and wise leadership, feels at home and free in sharing a very honest opinion with other adoring fans.
* It is my hope and desire that should anyone post here along the lines of those cruel and horrific comments from the "fanfic" debacle, that you will edit them immediately.
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There's a difference though here Merrymags, Judie created Lallybroch just for the purpose of having a place to go that would compliment DG and her works, not criticize. There are plenty of other places on the net to find criticism for anything that Diana does, but Ive always thought that this wasnt the place or would ever be. I get that people have their own negative feelings about it, IMO they should go someplace else to voice them, since this place was created for the opposite. :) -- M&M, 11:27:42 09/23/10 Thu
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You know, people always say that, but I haven't found any other places where people knowledgeably discuss the wee buiks, warts and all. Where are these 'other places'? -- sharon fisher, 04:47:47 09/25/10 Sat
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Well, first of all, perhaps that says something right there. *G* Secondly, it seems whenever there is a new Diana Gabaldon book there are always people who want to discuss what they DON'T like about it. Unfortunately, in order to DO that somewhere they actually have to DO SOMETHING to set up a board to discuss it. I have spent 13+ years keeping Ladies of Lallybroch going - that takes work. So the point is - those of you who can be found right on this board who want to discuss the things you find as negative aspects of THE EXILE - well, ONE of you has to actually go to voy.com and set up a board. Then make an announcement as to where it is (you can even do it here) and then go there and discuss these things. It just doesn't magically happen. -- Judie, 13:07:08 09/25/10 Sat
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Let me make sure I am understanding you correctly -- you would support the creation of a board that includes what you all 'negative' posts on this site if someone stepped up to run it? -- sharon fisher, 05:50:06 09/26/10 Sun
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that should be 'you call,' not 'you all' -- sharon fisher, 05:51:12 09/26/10 Sun
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What I am saying is anyone is free to go set up a board for whatever purpose they want it. Therefore, you are free to set up a board where you set your own rules about what can be discussed. It would not be associated with LOL - it would not be something I am sponsoring in any way. I'm just saying, it's your prerogative and you are free to do whatever you want. So, if the discussion parameters on the LOL boards do not suit folks, they can start one elsewhere, that is what I am saying. -- Judie, 08:52:35 09/26/10 Sun
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Ah, misunderstood. Very well, carry on, then. -- sharon fisher, 04:41:40 09/27/10 Mon
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Merrymags, that is fine. As I said - folks can be respectful and say their piece, if it is negative - ONCE! Once a person has said her/his piece, there is no need to belabour the point. We heard it. There is no need to go on ad nauseum about why folks DO NOT like it. That's all I'm saying. Say it once and then move on and let the rest of the gang enjoy it and wallow in the things they LOVE about it without repeated distractions from those who do not like it. That's all. Say it and move on - and respect the rest of those who wish to say how much they LOVE it. I don't think that's too much to ask. -- Judie, 11:38:40 09/23/10 Thu
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As Judie said, even negative opinions can be voiced. She's just trying to keep the negativity to a minimum without quashing it altogether. This is a fan site, so that seems more than reasonable to me. -- Lady Jay, 12:16:09 09/23/10 Thu
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Very well said Merrymags. I don't see any reason why someone cannot be a fan and love Diana's larger body of work but not like Exile. The GN format is very different from Diana's usual and, regardless of how well or poorly it was done (I think well) some of us, even the die-hardest of us, will not like it. While it is true that this is a site for those who like Diana and a place for us to go and be among other fans, if everyone here just repeats 'love it, love it, love it' without ever ever not liking something then what is reallly the point? I don't think Diana herself wants everyone to always like everything. It's like some of the scenes in the main books that some of us really don't care for, we have said we don't like it, with a valid reason, and move on. That is not dissing or being disrespectful, it is being an intelligent fan. IMO. -- jayn, 16:19:29 09/23/10 Thu
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jayn, I just said above that folks can post their opinion if they don't like it - and move on. After having been disappointed (or whatever) with the book, and after having made that statement, why is there a need for any person to go on and repeat that over and over when someone new shows up and says the same thing. Sure, say your piece, but then let it go. In fact, if someone does NOT like The Exile, after having said that - why come to this board at all? What is the point? Unless you hope to change your mind by reading what others say about it. But to just keep repeating "I didn't like it" is not something the rest of us want to hear. I would suggest for those who DO NOT like the book - go set up another board and feel free to discuss with one another why you don't like it. That is totally acceptable. But THIS board is to celebrate the book. -- Judie, 16:49:15 09/23/10 Thu
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These are fun boards, and when all this negativity comes into play, they arent. You might not of read why these boards were created, but here it is>>>>>>>>>> -- M&M, 17:48:46 09/23/10 Thu
How did the Ladies of Lallybroch™ begin?
In 1996 I found the Outlander series. Not long after that I found a romance site on the Internet and thought it would be a great place to discuss my love of Diana Gabaldon's books, my love of Jamie, and of Claire - and all things Outlandish.
Unfortunately, some people were jealous of Diana and her books and tried to stop me and other DG book lovers from having fun discussing Jamie and the books. They were negative about the books and DG - we had our Outlander-related messages deleted - it was not fun.
So in July of 1997 seven of us in a totally hosed way (see hoser references) declared our pledge of undying love for one James Alexander Malcolm Mackenzie Fraser and the Ladies of Lallybroch™ was born. I vowed to set up my own web site where LOVERS of the books and Jamie and Claire et al could come - a haven for us where we would not be bothered by naysayers.
You are now here!
If you feel as we do, make yourself at home, participate in the boards, have fun discussing these wonderful books.
Special thanks to Lady Lorri for giving us our name.
Judie
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There have been a few occasions that required 'the history of LOL' be reviewed. Every time I have been exposed to it I have felt newly inspired and enjoyed renewing my reasons for loving this place. Thanks for posting it today. -- CathyS, 12:55:35 09/24/10 Fri
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Im surprised you could even figure out what I wrote. LOL Not too obvious I run in and out of here for a quick visit. *G* -- M&M, 15:42:54 09/24/10 Fri
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i do not think there is room for negativity here really and like someone said above, i can go to many other places online to find negative stuff if i want - which i dont want to, but i have run into it. i love it & am enjoying it. of course it is 'different' to DG's regular books but it is neat & DG obviously gave her stamp of approval on it so that works for me -- oorjanie, 16:46:19 09/23/10 Thu
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And me! -- Judie, 16:50:44 09/23/10 Thu
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Thanks boss and all you DG Fans for making this a loving and fun site! works for me too! -- BetsyG, 05:55:39 10/02/10 Sat
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