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Date Posted: 06:56:55 09/28/10 Tue
Author: Lady Cate
Subject: Random Post-Exile Thoughts

What'cha think? (1)Was Laoghaire only the innocent messenger in the Cranesmuir incident? I don't think so, but I am open to discussion. I think she wasn't innocent partly because, in DIA, when Breanna accuses her at Lallybroch of trying to have Claire killed, Laoghaire does not deny the accusation - not that I remember. (2)Also, why was Kenneth naked? Was Geillis naked when she left 1960s Craig na Dun? Did they think being in a state of nature was necessary to safe travel? Or does nudity simply make art more interesting? ;)(3)Also, Geillis says Kenneth arrived ten years after her, even though he left only hours behind her. Wasn't Geillis about the same age as Claire at Castle Leoch, late twenties or so? Was she 18 and married (not terribly unusual for the early 1960s)when she came through the stones? Your thoughts?

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[> I understand about Kenneth arriving 10 years later but what I don't understand is that in Exile he says he went a few hours after Geille, yet he arrived the same time as Claire. Where was his body for those 10 years? We don't really know how long the passage takes, I always thought it was a few minutes - maybe the time taken varies? Maybe Ken was trapped inside for 10 years and didn't get out until Claire came through because he did something wrong, or wasn't strong enough or something - but because of the discombobulation of the passage he had no idea of time passing. That's my best guess. -- jayn, 08:27:16 09/28/10 Tue


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[> [> I don't think he was trapped for 10 years, he just travelled a different number of years than Geilie. It isn't always the same number of years for everyone who travels. Geilie left 1968 and arrived in 1733 (235 years), Kenneth left 1968 and arrived in 1743 (225 years), Claire left 1945 and arrived in 1743 (202 years). Some people think the difference was that Geilie used human blood, Kenneth used rabbit blood and Claire didn't use any blood. Another theory is that maybe Kenneth didn't know how to steer as well as Geilie with thoughts and so ended up in the wrong year (of course this time Claire wasn't trying to steer at all). -- Lady Oliver, 09:16:26 09/28/10 Tue


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[> [> [> But Geille and Kenneth left at the same time, and it wasn't a matter of him arriving at a later date, he arrived later, period. Claire left earlier than Kenneth but arrived at the same time....oh my, I'm getting a headache. the way Geille says she'd been waiting 10 years makes me think Kenneth was somewhere for those 10 years. -- jayn, 11:17:04 09/28/10 Tue


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[> [> [> [> He just didn't travel as far through time as Geilie did (it makes perfect sense to me <shrug> but I'm a little nuts, so that probably explains that). -- Lady Oliver, 14:27:35 09/28/10 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> I agree. :-) -- Crystal, 08:03:27 09/30/10 Thu


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[> [> [> [> [> [> I agree too!! -- BrandyC, 08:55:48 09/30/10 Thu


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[> [> [> [> [> I'm agreeing with you, too, but only on the TT part, not the part about you being nuts. *G* -- Lady Jay, 07:06:43 10/01/10 Fri


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[> I'm still out on Loaghaire, she may have been innocent here, or at the least she may not have fully realized the result her actions would have - but she did do all that other stuff. I don't think Loaghaire was a truly bad person, she was immature and made bad decisions, I think fate hardened her more than her own nature did. And she was a good mother. Maybe if her 1st dh hadn't died her life would have turned out happily, we have nothing to say she pined for Jamie all the that time. -- jayn, 08:28:25 09/28/10 Tue


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[> When I saw Loaghaire crying in the GN, I thought that was it, she was innocent (of this point, at least). But then I realized that she had stolen Claire's shoes and now I'm not so sure those weren't guilty tears. -- Lady Oliver, 09:20:18 09/28/10 Tue


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[> We know Geillie wasn't naked because Claire, Roger and Brianna saw her go. Kenneth wasn't there at the time or hidden if he was, so he went after Geillie, maybe next day? As for nekkid, I think he was just being dramatic - caught up in the idea of being a "sky-clad" druid. I read some of the Wiccan texts and some covens do worship nekkid. I think Geillie is probably a more talented "traveler" and was able to steer. Claire had no idea so maybe the default is 202 years and since that's what she believed and was aiming for as she went back to the present and then back to Jamie she was able to do the same time span with each passage. Same for Bri and Roger - their thoughts were focused on the year they wanted to arrive. Leghair was probably scared she'd be found out as the one who sent Claire to Cranesmuir and get a beating. I don't think she regretted it at all but she'd be very very sorry if caught. -- kgp, 12:25:02 09/28/10 Tue


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[> [> Kenneth in his birthday suit - he doesn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer, I can see him being the sort who thinks being naked and killing a deer, evidently with his bare hands, is a cool thing to do. -- jayn, 13:33:16 09/28/10 Tue


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[> [> [> lol! -- kgp, 13:47:39 09/28/10 Tue


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[> [> [> I didn't really get why he was naked either. It would seem that it would be easier for a man to find 18th century style clothes in the 20th century, all he would need to do is get a kilt. -- Lady Oliver, 14:38:20 09/28/10 Tue


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[> [> I have it my head differently about "steering" in TT. By "steering" it means that a person has something/someone to focus on. Geillis was focused on helping the Rising which started much earlier than when BPC actually took steps to reclaim his throne-the seeds were already simmering in the Scots, they were working with James well before BPC was old enough to mount his expedition. So it makes sense to me that Geillis arrived so much earlier. Then Kenneth, like Jayn says, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, is only focused on arriving "before the Rising," so only arrives just before the actual war so appears 10 years later than Geillis. Claire wasn't focused on anything, but Jamie is her light, he "grabbed" her out of the stones in his own time & place, that's why she ended up in 1743. And remember Bree was so angry with Roger for following her b/c if she wanted to go back, she would have no one to focus on on the other side. That's how I figure the "steering" thing in TT works. -- Missa, 14:27:39 09/28/10 Tue


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[> [> [> That's pretty much how I see it too. But we still don't know what effect the blood has (if any). -- Lady Oliver, 14:42:40 09/28/10 Tue


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[> [> [> Missa.I have it in my head that the "ghost" who Frank saw staring up at Claire was Jamie and he was waiting for Claire and that is part of why she went through when she did but also Claire was thinking if BJR . sometimes these books just make you think so much you end up verra confused...brilliant writing to get so much discussion going !!!! -- Aussiewench, 17:18:27 09/28/10 Tue


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[> Who is Kenneth. I guess I am just not thinking here, He obviously is someone Gellis knew but I just can't bring it up/ -- gstanley, 11:00:17 09/29/10 Wed


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[> [> Well, we haven't seen him before. But he is obviously one of her SNP buddies who can also TT. -- Lady Oliver, 13:25:47 09/29/10 Wed


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[> Oh good I thought I was going round the bend. -- gstanley, 04:51:47 09/30/10 Thu


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