| Subject: Looking for embroidery machine advice. Currently have the Happy Voyager 12 needle and like it but would like a bigger sewing area. |
Author: Trish [ Edit | View ]
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Date Posted: Tuesday, November 29, 04:43:30pm
I have a max 12 x 12" and love the next model up that has a 20.5 x 15.5" Anything bigger that is reasonable cost wise? Thanks.
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- Try Pantograms. They have used Toyota machines. You can also lease them. Then you can eventually get the x-panto frame (NT) -- 14.5" x 46" sewing field!, Tuesday, November 29, 10:26:05pm
- the price of the x-panto is around $3000 just by itself... (NT) -- bg, Wednesday, November 30, 06:33:55am
- Thanks everybody. So, it looks like the 9100 with the x-pantogram frame would be the best option. If I already have 2 digitizing programs, would I need their too? Thanks all. (NT) -- Trish, Wednesday, November 30, 11:00:10am
- You might also look at Tajima Neo2 machines, they also have an xpanto size hoop availible. I would suggest going with whichever company has a more local service center. (NT) -- good luck!, Wednesday, November 30, 11:41:30am
- Forgot to add, don't be hesitant to have the companies compete for your business. I got quotes from both companies, and went back and forth to see whether Toyota or Tajima would give me a better deal. Even used machines are expensive, so don't be afraid to haggle and discuss. (NT) -- --, Wednesday, November 30, 12:19:29pm
- Thanks for all this information. I have the Bernina Artista V.6 software as well as Stitch n Sew. I only use the Stitch n sew after I've manipulated as it transitions to my Happy machine easier. Do those with the xpanto find they use it much? Or is a 20.5 x 15.5 enough? (NT) -- Trish, Wednesday, November 30, 05:12:49pm
- I use the Bernina V5 software, and find it does all I want. I have the 1.2 metre frame and would never use anything else now, it is just so good (NT) -- !, Wednesday, November 30, 06:04:15pm
- I never take the x-panto frame off; its a bit of a hassle to change out so I just squeeze as many things as possible into each hoop. The border frame is fine, but if you stay busy and hate rehooping the x-panto frame is nice. I adore it for long skirt ruffles! (NT) -- --, Wednesday, November 30, 07:51:21pm
- Same here. The border frame just seems so tiny once you're used to the X-panto, and it is very easy to make good use of all the space, providing you sew enough dresses to make thee cost of the X-panto worthwhile (NT) -- ., Wednesday, November 30, 09:17:05pm
- Well that's just it. I don't. It's much more of a hobby than a business as I just make dresses and vests for some kids in my school who otherwise couldn't have them. So, wondering if I would just do better with the 15 x 20 frame or if I would just be envious of the bigger one. LOL (NT) -- Trish, Thursday, December 01, 08:52:17am
- Start smaller then save up to go big! Go with a machine that you can add to. I can add the sequin attachment to my machine (on my wish list). I love my x-Panto and use it all the time. No rehooping bodices, skirt designs in one shot, and full sleeves in one shot. I've been non-stop since I got it. :) (NT) -- sewtto, Thursday, December 01, 09:47:59am
- I have the 9100 and only the 15 x 20 frame and I re-hoop, but it works for me.. (NT) -- **, Friday, December 02, 07:17:36am
- Does the 15 x 20 come with the machine as standard? (NT) -- ., Sunday, December 04, 04:22:08pm
- nope it is extra too! and then you have to purchase the larger table as well...anything extra is an added cost. (NT) -- **, Monday, December 05, 06:50:13am
- I got my border frame as prt of the deal with the machine, instead of several smaller hoops. So ask your dealer (NT) -- what he can do for you, Monday, December 05, 01:43:46pm
- That's the problem too. There are no local dealers that I'm aware of. :( I am going to call the manufacturers to see what the closest is. (NT) -- ., Monday, December 05, 02:08:09pm
- If you email the companies they'll put you in touch with the rep for your area and you can discuss details with that person. My rep was able to put together a great package for me. (NT) -- good luck!, Monday, December 05, 10:43:51pm
- OMG. I am having the toughest time with anyone wanting to sell me a machine. (more) -- Trish, Tuesday, December 06, 08:10:09pm
- My Toyota was shipped in from Japan, and (more inside) -- Hope that helps, Tuesday, December 06, 09:06:44pm
- You won't need to have it on permanently, don't even worry about that, just smile and nod! If you want it/can afford it/will use it, just go for it. The technician or the instruction manual can walk you through that, there are lots of screws involved but its really not hard. (NT) -- good luck!, Tuesday, December 06, 10:57:15pm
- I have the "Happy" 1201. We like it a lot. Pretty easy to use. My husband is doing most of the work. First timer doing embroidery. (NT) -- kelsocover.com, Thursday, December 01, 10:06:18pm
- I've just recently been toying with the idea of the Toyota Machine's. The idea of a large frame for nearly an entire dress just makes me happy! Can anyone tell me how it works with appliques? Do you digitize those into your machine and it does all the cutting and what not or do you start and stop as you would a smaller home machine? Any help appreciated. (NT) -- curious, Monday, December 05, 09:56:58am
- So when you say you stuff as much into the frame as possible, how do you work the digitizing/embroidery? Do you measure out where your pieces go and then digitize? This is such an informative post! Would love to hear more about how you place all your pieces in the big frames, especially soft skirts. Thanks in advance! (NT) -- wow!, Monday, December 05, 06:01:16pm
- I digitize all the pieces I need and then I place as much as I can in the sewing field area...Colleen and I once did a full dress in 2 x-panto hoopings! I love that thing! I myself use the 19.5 x 14 border frame and again get as much in there as I can. Still have to split the long bodices...which is why Colleen is going to get them from now on!! (NT) -- AnnD, Monday, December 05, 08:09:23pm
- I routinely do the bodice back and front in one frame, then both sleeves in the next frame, and I usually then do back and front skirt yokes for two dresses in the third frame. One more frame if I'm doing embroidery on the skirt, or three frames for two larger skirts. The X-Panto makes everything so much easier, but would only be worthwhile for someone constantly making dresses because it would be a nuisance not to fill up the whole frame. (NT) -- I couldn't live without it now!, Monday, December 05, 09:25:44pm
- Oh I forgot, one more frame for three shawls (NT) -- ., Monday, December 05, 09:27:06pm
- Amazing! So you just space your digitizing far enough apart so that you can put the whole pieces in there? This is fantastic! Sounds like even re hooping three times is a heck of a lot more convenient than re hooping countless times for skirts and so on! Thanks for the info :) (NT) -- .., Monday, December 05, 10:43:08pm
- When you got your machines, did the technician understand what you were wanting to do with it and did they walk you through how to go about what you needed? (NT) -- ??, Monday, December 05, 10:44:39pm
- With the X-Panto, I never have to rehoop at all, just clip in the whole bodice, then both sleeves, then skirt or shawls. I think I taught the dealer, rather than the other way around! (NT) -- !, Tuesday, December 06, 06:58:38am
- Thats pretty much what I do as well. Running two dresses at once also gives my ears a break for a day or two while I'm finishing construction. (NT) -- --, Monday, December 05, 10:44:59pm
- So to buy new are you looking at what? Around $15,000?? Of course to get a good deal on second hand is best but is that roughly what you'd be looking at? Sorry if this is too nosey a questtion :-o (NT) -- curious, Tuesday, December 06, 09:03:56am
- My package was around $18,000 with the border frame, x-panto hoop, machine, accessories, shipping, and digitizing software. Different packages vary depending on what you get, your trade in (if any), shipping, etc. (NT) -- --, Tuesday, December 06, 11:15:44am
- Without anyone feeling like they'd be revealing their designs for new costumes, is there any way to post a photo of a dress set up in this frame? Or maybe a mock dress with pattern pieces? Not looking for anyone to give up their ideas, just looking to see how this works. Fascinating!! (NT) -- Curious, Tuesday, December 06, 05:30:17pm
- Can I ask one more question about the X-panto frame? If you want to do smaller items, can you still just hoop them in the large frame. (more) -- Trish, Wednesday, December 07, 04:43:35pm
- I try not to run anything less than a full hoop, but sometimes it isn't possible. Sometimes I have one cape or something to do but it wastes stabilizer. As to the outline stitch, yes, I do outline the area to be embroidered to hold it in place. (NT) -- Sonia, Wednesday, December 07, 11:26:12pm
- Thanks. I was just thinking about if you do something really small, non-dress related like a shirt etc. Do you switch out the hoops or just make do? Or not do the small item at all? (NT) -- Trish, Thursday, December 08, 09:31:11am
- And can you use the same stabilizer that you would in regular machines or is there a special brand for the machine? (NT) -- .., Thursday, December 08, 10:08:15am
- I haven't done this, but for that I would switch out hoops. Twenty minutes of readjusting just seems worth it. Thats a lof of stablizer! I buy mine from allstitch, link posted above. Everyone has different preferences, so experiment a bit until you find what you like. (NT) -- --, Thursday, December 08, 10:24:54am
- I'm sorry to have so many questions. Couldn't you position the design on the far right and cut your stabilizer about 12" longer and then re-use it, minus the little piece at the end? Just trying to figure out what everybody does. I am at the negotiating point with the dealers and the husband. LOL (NT) -- Trish, Thursday, December 08, 10:57:20am
- You can, and I've tried that before on half hoops, but its hard to keep even tension on partial pieces of interfacing and can lead to tearing & uneven stitchouts. (NT) -- just my experience., Thursday, December 08, 11:34:22am
- Yes, I often do that, and it works fine as long as you have a frame full of tearaway or cotton for stability. Easier than changing frames, but it is still better to fill the frame with other embroidery, although I am always amazed at how very accurate the stitching is even though the frame moves a metre or so to each side of the machine (something else to bear in mind - you do need a large working area for the frame to move) (NT) -- ., Thursday, December 08, 02:53:53pm
- Trish....see inside -- Colleen, Thursday, December 08, 12:10:53pm
- Thank you so much to EVERYBODY. It looks like I am going to go forward with this and I am so excited! (more) -- Trish, Thursday, December 08, 02:33:27pm
- Does anyone else here have a Tajima? I only know others with Toyotas, and don't really know the difference. The machine is heavy (80kg?) so it would be better to have the dealer bring it to you, even if it costs a bit extra. Setup is easy though, and you don't really need any special lessons, just work it out as you go. You don't need anything other than the Bernina software; it does all I have ever needed to do, and is fine with the 1.2m X-Panto size, which some other programs don't cope with. (NT) -- ., Thursday, December 08, 02:59:21pm
- I have a Tajima Neo 2 & the big frame. More inside... -- --, Thursday, December 08, 03:24:58pm
- Oh this is good to know. I think once I get the Toyota price, I will let the husband do the negotiating and go with the best deal. (NT) -- Trish, Thursday, December 08, 04:46:25pm
- My Toyota does 700 stitches/minute with the X-Panto frame, and that's plenty fast enough when sewing on sequins etc. (NT) -- !, Thursday, December 08, 05:14:42pm
- Thats about what the Tajima does, its not bad, I'm just impatient! (NT) -- --, Thursday, December 08, 06:53:22pm
- So, it sounds as though it's 6 one way, half dozen the other? You all are so helpful. I feel like the dealers are trying to talk me out of the X-panto. ??? (more) -- Trish, Thursday, December 08, 07:30:51pm
- Just use a jump drive (NT) -- computer and machine on different levels, Thursday, December 08, 07:49:09pm
- I use a USB stick (well I have about 10 actually!) with my Toyota (NT) -- Works well, Thursday, December 08, 09:39:21pm
- Tell them it is the frame designed specially for Gavin, and you make dresses like Gavin (NT) -- !, Thursday, December 08, 09:40:55pm
- My son set it up wireless using a gaming modem. No wires, no zip drive! (NT) -- Boy Genius!!!, Friday, December 16, 07:27:13pm
- Pulling my hair out dealing with these dealers!! -- Trish, Friday, December 09, 04:05:32pm
- Trish, did you get your dream machine :o) ?? (NT) -- curious, Tuesday, December 27, 11:00:54am
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