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Date Posted: 11:46:47 09/09/02 Mon
Author: Michele
Subject: Re: Let the fun begin! ("Adrift" spoilers)
In reply to: musette 's message, "Let the fun begin! ("Adrift" spoilers)" on 02:53:23 09/08/02 Sun

I really liked this story too - on several levels I thought it created much more complex incarnations of both Seven and Janeway. It's played out in keeping with the way I see the characters. This Seven is so much more - well, just more, for want of a better word. I like the fact that she has spent time discovering who she is. It takes Seven a long time to figure out that what she feels for Chakotay is simulation rather than reality, but when she does, she takes care of it right away and then proceeds to move on with her life. No mooning over Janeway and falling into her arms right away, but rather a continuation of the path Janeway started her on, discovery of what it is to be human. Big difference, though, she's exploring what it means to be human for her specifically. I like the fact that she's spent time exploring her sensuality and her sexuality - again true to her curious nature.

And, yes, I do think that the story has a more melancholy quality, but only partly because Janeway is pursuing Seven. I think it's also tied to the fact that Janeway has had a very difficult time over three years, and is just now understanding how to deal witht that. I think that it also has to do with Seven's loss of innocence - In pre-Endgame J/7 stories, Seven is both wise and innocent - wise becasue of her memories from the Collective, but yet innocent in the ways of humanity, including innocent about love. Her romanitc relationship with Janeway is the first that she's had. In Adrift, Seven has lost much of her innocence, both about being human, and about relationships. Yet, it's made her stronger and more complex, more interesting. That doesn't mean that the love between Janeway and Seven isn't as binding, necessarily, just that it has a different starting point. And so, I think it is rather melancholy to see these two women so battered by experiences, yet able to still recognize that they belong together. Of course, I love the J/B stories, and the Seven that develops there too, I just thought this one was intriguing - wouldn't mind more stories with these incarnations of Seven and Janeway. Oh my, I have rambled on...

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[> [> Re: Let the fun begin! ("Adrift" spoilers) -- Julie, 00:20:54 09/10/02 Tue

hmmm

I did enjoy this, and am trying to get used to slightly different characterizations of Seven and Janeway from an author whose Seven and Janeway I "know".

Musette, I have the exact opposite take on Gina's liking Seven or the Captain more. I think she loves writing the conflicted Kathryn, she's complex and tricky. Kathryn is not always aware of her own motivations, Gina's quite good at getting that just right and I imagine she enjoys that element of Jameway.

But what do I know? -- making stuff up about an author's character preferences -- shame on me.

As for the question is one situation more comic one more romantic? I think there is a bittersweet feeling evoked when two people who belong together taking a long time to get there. (In this example many years.) There is all that time they could have had if they only communicated a bit better. That to me has less comic possibilities.

But then humor is what? pain + distance. Perhaps there is much room for humor in the second scenario, after all

I like how Gina addresses that perhaps Seven wasn't ready for the relationship years ago. Having Seven mature emotionally and no longer under the command of Janeway is one way to address the power issue of Seven being subordinate and inexperienced emotionally. Reading it, it feels... what's the word... like a more developed Seven. Which is interesting to me, because she can be somewhat of a blank slate in some fiction.

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[> [> [> Re: Let the fun begin! ("Adrift" spoilers) -- musette, 22:50:20 09/10/02 Tue

Thanks all for your replies. I always learn so much and get a deeper appreciation for a story I've already enjoyed.

I agree whole heartedly with Julie (and others) that this Seven is more developed. I like the fact that she has had time to figure things out (up to a point). The moment she "recognizes" Janeway as the real thing is always a thrill for me to read...even after all this time. ;-) I too like to read standalones, 'cause I love to "see" J and 7 discover each other all over again - and in so many ways. *g*

Please note that when I say that Gina "likes" one character over another, I am not speaking from some insider perspective! I'm not privy to her feelings for these characters, nor do I want or need to be to enjoy her amazing works. That said, I do feel that the way Gina writes Seven seems effortless and full of a kind of simpathetic understanding, while Kathryn poses more challenges. Still I do appreciate and recognize KJ in Gina's characterization - completely!

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[> [> [> [> Re: Let the fun begin! ("Adrift" spoilers) -- Julie, 17:21:57 09/14/02 Sat

I think when I say I think she prefers writing one over the other, all I really am uncovering is who I prefer to read about.

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: Let the fun begin! ("Adrift" spoilers) -- musette, 20:57:02 09/14/02 Sat

That's an interesting point, but after much soul searching, it's still Janeway, I'm consistently drawn to...so...? *g*

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Let the fun begin! ("Adrift" spoilers) -- Julie, 16:53:24 09/15/02 Sun

so?

so... there goes another one of my theories.

Oh well.

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