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Subject: Planning Application Saltdean Barn

Author: Glenys Revell (Concerned)

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07:01:17 09/02/08 Tue Due to lack of public consultation documents being displayed and only 12 residents of Arundel Drive West were issued with consultation documents, this means that not only myself but many other residents could be unaware of exactly what kind of impact this development will have on the Oval Park, the overall look of the Barn and the dwindling amenities of public properties. I am concerned about the Grade 2 listed walled garden which could be lost forever. Also since the advent of Boomerang Kids in the barn there has been a enormous and steady increase in traffic and parked vehicles, many of which are sessional and come and go all day long making the safety of our children questionable. Should this planning application be granted, the traffic would at lease double in intensity and whilst it is maintained that children are transported in a 6 berth buggy at peak times and it is also intimated on the planning application documents that parking is available to the south of the development which gives one the impression that this parking is within easy access of the barn. This car park is the only public car park in Saltdean and serves the Library, the Lido, the Health Club, the Beach, the south of the park and one or two commercial properties such as estate agents and doctors’ surgery not to mention shops in Longridge and Lustrells. I have been here for 17 years and I know of very few parents who would make the journey from the south car park in say, pouring rain, howling gales or snow. Having run Revell's Terrapin Nursery in the Terrapin Hut in the park for approximately 17 years, I am well aware of how the parking by parents can impact on the local residents and users of the park. Over the years we have endeavoured to ensure our parents park considerately as do our staff and we have had no complaints from local residents. We have an average of 15 children per day but these arrive in the morning and do not generally leave until the evening, therefore parking problems do not arise throughout the day. In addition to this, 7 of these families arrive on foot as they live very locally and are considerate of the problems transport can cause. Boomerang is currently registered for 30 children at any given time ranging from 2 to 8 years and these are sessional places which means that children and parents are coming and going all day long as there can be as many as 3 variants per day leading to a possible 90 children per day coming and going. This prognosis will be doubled if planning consent is achieved and added to this is the number of staff - currently 14 - increasing by more than double because the new extension would cater for babies and the ratios as prescribed by Ofsted are 1 staff to 3 babies. In summing up, do the residents of Saltdean really want their public land to disappear under the over extension of a nursery which does not offer services community wide. This beautiful barn should be able to be accessed by more than just the very young and once planning consent is granted and mortgages arranged, it would be very difficult for this building to be used for any other purposes. I have also heard that plans are afoot to close St. Martin's playgroup, which is run by Boomerang, once planning consent is gained and I believe that there is a 100 place Nursery opening in the old Ocean Hotel so how can this planning be justified on the grounds that there are not enough nursery spaces locally. I personally have places available, I also understand St. Nicholas have vacancies. If you would like to make comment to the council about this development you need to be quick and send your comments to Kate Brocklebank at planning.applications@brighton-hove.gov.uk by 3rd September. Please do not be complacent as this could affect the future of the park and the barn. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Planning Application Saltdean Barn

Author: Appalled (How short sighted) [Edit]

Date Posted: 06:12:31 09/04/08 Thu After experiencing the lack of quality environments for our children to be cared for in Saltdean any parent would welcome the first class facilities that are available at Boomerang Kids, I have first hand of both sights, if you have any doubt of the excellence that is provided at the Barn I am sure that they would be very happy to show you around as I am sure Terrapins would also then you can make your own decisions. In these times where the majority of parents work and even if they don't it is clear that a certain standard is expected to prepare our children for school and not to collect their children unexpectedly early to find them watching TV. This is certainly not what I would expect from a good nursery but exactly what I found when I collected my child from Terrapins. This is intended to be a dispute regarding planning I hear you say but I feel that it more a dispute defending business and not in the interest of the local community at all, So we all know what we are dealing with here, Terrapins was approached to consider selling their land for the extension and funnily enough they agreed! For the princely sum of £40’000 for land/lease that didn’t belong to them /had expired over TEN years ago, so I leave it to you to make your own minds up regarding the intentions of this notice on our community website! Yours sincerely A concerned mother [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Planning Application Saltdean Barn

Author: A saltdean resident (mixed feelings) [Edit]

Date Posted: 01:17:11 09/14/08 Sun >Due to lack of public consultation documents being >displayed and only 12 residents of Arundel Drive West >were issued with consultation documents, this means >that not only myself but many other residents could be >unaware of exactly what kind of impact this >development will have on the Oval Park, the overall >look of the Barn and the dwindling amenities of public >properties. I am concerned about the Grade 2 listed >walled garden which could be lost forever. Also since >the advent of Boomerang Kids in the barn there has >been a enormous and steady increase in traffic and >parked vehicles, many of which are sessional and come >and go all day long making the safety of our children >questionable. Should this planning application be >granted, the traffic would at lease double in >intensity and whilst it is maintained that children >are transported in a 6 berth buggy at peak times and >it is also intimated on the planning application >documents that parking is available to the south of >the development which gives one the impression that >this parking is within easy access of the barn. This >car park is the only public car park in Saltdean and >serves the Library, the Lido, the Health Club, the >Beach, the south of the park and one or two commercial >properties such as estate agents and doctors’ surgery >not to mention shops in Longridge and Lustrells. I >have been here for 17 years and I know of very few >parents who would make the journey from the south car >park in say, pouring rain, howling gales or snow. > >Having run Revell's Terrapin Nursery in the Terrapin >Hut in the park for approximately 17 years, I am well >aware of how the parking by parents can impact on the >local residents and users of the park. Over the years >we have endeavoured to ensure our parents park >considerately as do our staff and we have had no >complaints from local residents. We have an average >of 15 children per day but these arrive in the morning >and do not generally leave until the evening, >therefore parking problems do not arise throughout the >day. In addition to this, 7 of these families arrive >on foot as they live very locally and are considerate >of the problems transport can cause. > >Boomerang is currently registered for 30 children at >any given time ranging from 2 to 8 years and these are >sessional places which means that children and parents >are coming and going all day long as there can be as >many as 3 variants per day leading to a possible 90 >children per day coming and going. This prognosis >will be doubled if planning consent is achieved and >added to this is the number of staff - currently 14 - >increasing by more than double because the new >extension would cater for babies and the ratios as >prescribed by Ofsted are 1 staff to 3 babies. > >In summing up, do the residents of Saltdean really >want their public land to disappear under the over >extension of a nursery which does not offer services >community wide. This beautiful barn should be able to >be accessed by more than just the very young and once >planning consent is granted and mortgages arranged, it >would be very difficult for this building to be used >for any other purposes. > >I have also heard that plans are afoot to close St. >Martin's playgroup, which is run by Boomerang, once >planning consent is gained and I believe that there is >a 100 place Nursery opening in the old Ocean Hotel so >how can this planning be justified on the grounds that >there are not enough nursery spaces locally. I >personally have places available, I also understand >St. Nicholas have vacancies. > >If you would like to make comment to the council about >this development you need to be quick and send your >comments to Kate Brocklebank at >planning.applications@brighton-hove.gov.uk by 3rd >September. Please do not be complacent as this could >affect the future of the park and the barn. what is all the fuss about the barn, it stood empty for years looking like an eye sore , at leased it is being used, and the look of it has not been changed, I have lived here for 30years, over those years things have not changed much. It,s nice to see some modern idea`s coming into saltdean.The park certainly hasn`t altered apart from the very nice mini golf course shutting which was a popular sport. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Planning Application Saltdean Barn

Author: gary manders (why anonymous ????) [Edit]

Date Posted: 09:59:42 09/21/08 Sun this mail is in response to the "annonymous concerned mother" regarding who replies to the mail about planing permission for the barn. now i have read the letter from glynis from terrapins a few times and first i note that herself and myself for that matter have included our names....why.....because this is a public forum to put a matter across....why on earth people reply and bad mouth someone else but then remain annonymous.....if you have spomething to say then say it and be seen and heard..... as has been noted elsewhere on this site the barn also has a watching tv period called chilling out time.....surely as a mother of a child that goes there you know this..... as for the reasons for the original mail going on here...well i think that is very plain and obvious. there was no consultation what so ever...the notice that was meant to be in the park was mysteriously taken after the first day.....this did not give anyone a chance to even know what was going on and to voice an opinion. My stance is that if the barn want to apply for planning and after all objections are heard it is given then so be it. At least people were consulted and given a chance to reply to object or consent. Then that way it is fair. So hopefully now that the planning office has made the application void a new planning application will be made and everyone who has anything to say can be heard and the council can make a decision based on those voices and of course their own guidelines. I would like to finish my little rant in reply to "anonymous concerned mother" to just say to anyone that come on this site looking for a nursery for their little ones....the barn looks a fantastic place and i am sure the parents of the children attending (we have many friends who go there) will al say it is a great place......but please do not just judge on a building.....revels (terrapins) is a very warm and friendly place for all children to play , learn , interact , develop and learn the necessary skills to take this world on. Our first daughter has just started school from doing 4 years at nursery and our little boy is in second year there. We would not have changed a single thing about revels. A childs bedroom is not a tidy place , it is full of dens and little hiding places , all the children at revels know this and find the nursery a home from home.....they can be who they want when they want.......play in a group or just on their own.....my wife and i have never seen a sad face in there...every child is given the special time to become who they are at their own pace. So rant over.......thank you revels.....thank you glynis and all the staff.....for everything and anything.....we hope everything works out. Gary , Lina , Emily & Elliott [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Cynical

Author: George [Edit]

Date Posted: 01:33:58 09/15/08 Mon I grew up in Saltdean and remember clearly the times when the barn was a derelict eyesore, it had half demolished buildings around it and the gardens were used for no more than an area for teenagers to congregate, drink and generally cause mayhem in the park and usually vandalise the terrapins nurserty that had it's windows broken countless times. The whole area and beautiful barn have now been totally regenerated, the barn itself offers a fantastic service, both my children have attended and it has given them the most wonderful preparation for starting school. In addition to which it is run as a charity and is non profit making. I find it a bit cynical that you are passing off your business concerns as concerns for the residents of saltdean rather than your own, which they clearly are. Does not the fact that the Barn has a 1 year plus waiting list indicate that it is a necessary service in saltdean. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Planning Application Saltdean Barn

Author: gary manders (annoyed) [Edit]

Date Posted: 12:55:53 09/18/08 Thu After reading this mail and others concerning it i thought I had to make my own comments. as a father of 2 little ones who BOTH go to revells I am dissapointed to see people who have nothing better to say on this matter bad mouth the nursery for whatever reasons. my daughter emily has attended revells since the age of 1 and dont get me wrong when the barn opened we applied as it looked fantastic but when attending open day were very sad to see no atmosphere and close care and attention my wife and i felt our children both needed. We were offered a place but turned it down and stayed at revells. In all honesty it was the very best move we ever made. our daughter has just started school as has become a confident and well mannered young girl who is confirdent is herself and was so ready for school. Our little 2 year old boy attends revells and loves it. Yes it will never look like the barn and for me pesonally that doen not matter at all.....all the staff love the children and make sure they are well looked after and cared for..... KIDS WATCHING TV....someone complained that was wrong...why!!!!! does that not happen at the BARN....yes it does.....so why single out revells... onto the planning side....i have no problem with the barn applying for whatever planning they want as long as it is done properly....ie people notified...signs in park so others can have a say as it mysteriously dissapeared day after going up..!!!! My own personal opinion is that the barn was a beautiful building before the side attachment was added. From looking through planning applications the side extention was built with somewhere for people to wait and collect kids from....then it is now applied for it to be turned into a nursery.....was this intented from the start.....???? and why is more garden now needed....??? on the council website it says planning invalid so do not know what was intended or applied for so hopefully when they reapply i can look and then make comments. Now I have my own business so understand the need to improve and better things but all I wanted to say is if the barn want to extend further then do it correctly...let people have a look at whats intended and then make their own minds up. No more no less. Quickly on the parking side......as a parent dropping our children at revells we are constantly reminded to park so as to not cause any problems to neighbours to the nursery. Any new parent looking for a nursery would always put barn above revells simply on looks but all I can say is is that in the near 4 years we have been going there we have never had a complaint or reason to question anything that happens inside. Our children are happy and feel part of a large family, they smile all day long there and play in the small garden and enjoy evety single minute of it. I would not change a single thing about revells and if anyone from there reads this ...thank you. I am sure there will be comments against this mail but who cares.....this is what a forum is for..to express views. Thank you [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Planning Application Saltdean Barn

Author: Claire [Edit]

Date Posted: 13:01:55 09/22/08 Mon I have to agree with George. The comments made by Glenys are all rather self-serving. Perhaps we could take her point of view more seriously had she actually got planning permission to have her nursery there - those in glass houses etc. My little boy went to Boomerang for two years and in all that time he didn't get to watch TV and I've never seen one on the premises. Just thought I'd mention it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Planning Application Saltdean Barn

Author: Helen Hicks [Edit]

Date Posted: 07:56:37 10/07/08 Tue I would just like to put the record straight as there seems to have been so many mis-informed comments on this website. 1. Glenys Revell and Gary Manders have stated that our planning application has not followed the correct procedures. We did the following in order: a. I had a meeting with Glenys and told her of our extension plans before any planning application had been submitted, we discussed the future of the Terrapin Hut and how this could be incorporated into this plan. b. We hand delivered letters to all the local residents around the park explaining our extension plans and also wrote to St Nicholas playgroup. c. We also wrote to Saltdean Residents Association to explain our plans. As my deputy and I are on this committee we left the room while the committee considered this issue. It was decided to take the matter to an open public meeting on 2.2.08. d. Over 50 Saltdean residents who voted unanimously to support our application attended the public meeting. e. We submitted the drawings to Brighton and Hove City Council conservation team and planning team in March 08. f. The council wrote to the required number of local residents as per local authority regulations and adverts were placed in the local press. Signs were put on lampposts and a 3 week consultation period followed. g. We were contacted by the council to say that Glenys had not received her letter and so a further 3 week consultation period followed. 2. Regarding car parking in our contracts with our parents we require them to abide by parking regulations or lose their place with us. To date we have had no request from local residents to take action further but this is still an option open to us should it become a problem in the future. 3. With reference to comments about St Martins closing, we have had a 100% rent increase. As a charity, and therefore a non-profit making group we have had to revaluate our plans due to financial constraints. However, with St Martins receiving ‘Outstanding’ in our last OFSTED report, closing would be as a last resort. 4. Regarding TV watching, we DO NOT OWN A TV! And have not done so for 2 years since the regulations changed and nurseries need to pay for an entertainments licence, we felt this cost would be better spent elsewhere. I hope that this has cleared up a few points should anyone need clarification on any other points please email me. Helen Hicks Manager Boomerang Kids. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Planning Application Saltdean Barn
Author: Brad spit [Edit]	Date Posted: 13:23:32 10/10/08 Fri Any chance to convert the barn into a lap dancing club in the evening?? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Planning Application Saltdean Barn
Author: S.Lag [Edit]	Date Posted: 16:01:47 10/10/08 Fri >Any chance to convert the barn into a lap dancing club >in the evening?? I have recently retired & would like some part time work perhaps they would take me on as a lap dancer.Would you be my first punter Brad Spit?? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Planning Application Saltdean Barn
Author: Wilma Titzway [Edit]	Date Posted: 16:14:02 10/17/08 Fri I have done pole dancing & would be more than happy to teach it to anyone who may wish to be employed at the barn if it gets a licence for after hours entertainment as requested by Brad Spit. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]