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Subject: I wonder where we would be


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bulldog10jw
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Date Posted: 14:10:22 11/08/16 Tue
In reply to: Ivy fan 1 's message, "Reno must go" on 18:57:47 11/07/16 Mon

If Tom Williams had not padded his resume.

Would he have stayed? He was 16-14 in his 3 years and probably would have gotten 2 more, 4th and 22 not withstanding.

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[> [> Subject: Re: I wonder where we would be


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old blue
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Date Posted: 14:28:35 11/08/16 Tue

gentlemen; mr siedlecki in his last three years before being unceremoniously shown the door was 23 wins 7 losses overall and 16 wins and 5 losses in the ancient eight. why mr beckett in his infinite wisdom would let the current situation to remain for another season is very perplexing at best.

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[> [> [> Subject: Most successful Yale coach to ever be fired


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remember it well
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Date Posted: 15:56:40 11/08/16 Tue

Old blue is right. My guess is with 20/20 hindsight Beckett may be regretting his decision on Siedlecki - or to put it another way - what other Ivy AD would fire a coach who had records of 8-2, 9-1, 6-4 in his last 3 seasons. Thought they only did to that to HC's in the Power 5 conferences.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Most successful Yale coach to ever be fired


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 16:11:46 11/08/16 Tue

Old Blue and Remember It Well have it just right. To me, this was the sad side effect from an overly developed obsession with beating a rival. We dismissed a perfectly fine head coach because of recent losses to one school. But this is obsessing over one tree when any meaningful evaluation of any head coach must consider the entire forest.

There's too much noise in any given two or three games against any opponent, especially against a strong program, when a mistake is likely to be costly. Yale must start focussing on whether a coach has the ship pointed in the right direction, not whether it happens to dodge one particular iceberg a year.

The exaggerated obsession with Harvard also has other negative side effects. You think Tom Williams tries the fake punt on 4th-and-22 against Dartmouth? No way. That was solely and entirely a result of *HIS* obsession with stamping his personal mark on the history of the rivalry.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Most successful Yale coach to ever be fired


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old blue
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Date Posted: 16:33:03 11/08/16 Tue

gentlemen; mr williams fourth and twenty two fake punt call with the league best punter with the wind at his back having a superlative day was the biggest bone head move ever of ivy lore.

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[> [> Subject: Siedlecki


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bulldog10jw
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Date Posted: 16:52:21 11/08/16 Tue

Two "shared" titles in 12 years

Blew a 21-3 halftime lead against H in 2005.

Blew a big halftime lead to Princeton in 2006 in front of 40k at the Bowl.

Routed by Harvard with an undefeated team in 2007.

Mediocre records from 2001-2005. Terrible game day coach (as was Cozza to be fair)

It's a sad commentary on the state of the Yale football program when mediocrity looks good.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Siedlecki


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bulldog10jw
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Date Posted: 17:12:36 11/08/16 Tue

It would be interesting to go back through the archives and see who defended Jack in 2008

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Siedlecki compared to current Ivy coaches


Author:
remember it well (bulldog10jw)
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Date Posted: 19:22:08 11/08/16 Tue

Not easy to get beyond mediocre in the Ivys.
Surace 31-37 since 2010; Archer 11-33 since 2013; Teevens 82-90 since 2005; Estes 113-80 since 1998 (6-4 2013, 5-5 2014 and 2015, 3-5 2016) Bagnoli 4-14 since 2015 (some great years at Penn but last three years there 12-18). I would argue that Siedlecki is probably comparable to Estes - who still has his job perhaps because has not had to contend with the "The Game"
rivalry.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Siedlecki


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old blue
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Date Posted: 17:39:37 11/08/16 Tue

gentlemen; mr bulldog is correct with the exception a halfback fumble inside the ten for the game winning touchdown in the 2005 overtime cantab contest was not mr siedlecki's fault.

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