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Subject: Ivy attendance 2016


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voy vey
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Date Posted: 11:13:00 11/09/16 Wed

Slight downward trend continuing in 2016.

2012 average per game after 8 weeks:
8,351

2014 average for same period:
7,506

2016 average for same period:
7,319

Granted, there were some rainy and/or cold days in both '14 and again this year, which probably explains some of the drop-off from 2012.

For comparison's sake, here's the averages for the four games that constitute Week 9. We'll see how '16 fares this weekend:

Week 9 2012: 9,948
Week 9 2014: 9,609

Details-
game, '12 attendance, '14 attendance
Brown @ Dartmouth - 3,439 - 4,057
Cornell @ Columbia - 5,620 - 5,734
Harvard @ Penn - 8,910 - 5,386
Princeton @ Yale - 21,824 - 23,260

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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Anonymous
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Date Posted: 12:11:50 11/09/16 Wed

I have a feeling if we could gather data from the ILDN, more people are actually watching the games live than in 2012, just not in person.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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Sr Punter
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Date Posted: 15:59:00 11/09/16 Wed

If I read the attendance figures correctly, there may have been fewer than 20,000 fans at Ivy Games this weekend, in total. The weather wasn't that bad.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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Observer
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Date Posted: 16:59:12 11/09/16 Wed

More than half that total were at the Harvard-Columbia game at the Stadium.

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[> [> Subject: last week


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voy vey
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Date Posted: 10:01:20 11/10/16 Thu

There were 26,612 at games last week.

Dartmouth/Cornell 3,783
Columbia/Harvard 11,233
Yale/Brown 4,229
Penn/Princeton 7,367

Same games two years ago (2014) - 30,600
Same games four years ago (2012) - 23,950

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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foehi
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Date Posted: 10:42:55 11/10/16 Thu

If Harvard Penn Friday night (assuming decent weather) doesn't draw 15,000+, then it's time to close shop.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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BrunoFan
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Date Posted: 18:50:32 11/10/16 Thu

Forget 15k, I'd be shocked if Penn-Harvard breaks 7-8k. Friday nights suppress turnout, 8pm vs 7pm start doesn't help, nor does the option of watching on TV for those without ILDN. Harvard - Penn hasn't drawn well in the 21st century even with title implications and Penn's attendence has fallen off a cliff in the last 2-3 years moreso than any other Ivy, they can't draw 10k even the past 2 Homecoming.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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John Harvard
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Date Posted: 13:38:50 11/10/16 Thu

Last week was Harvard freshman parents weekend. The entire freshman class and families are served an indoor lunch at the Gordon track adjacent to the stadium. The only entrance/exit is 40 yeards from the turnstiles. Almost have to make a conscious effort to avoid attending.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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Sr Punter (Yo! Voy Vey)
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Date Posted: 20:38:29 11/10/16 Thu

Do you really believe the published attendance was the actual attendance? I know a number of season ticket holders (like me)do not actually attend every game. Mrs. Bear has a ticket she hasn't used in a great while.

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[> [> Subject: "... Harvard's full athletic scholarships..."


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Observer
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Date Posted: 22:22:56 11/10/16 Thu

There are no "athletic scholarships" - full or otherwise. There is need-based financial aid available to all students - pretty much the same amounts at Harvard, Yale and Princeton. The aid is generous - to a slightly lesser degree - at other Ivies, which are free to match financial aid offered by Harvard, Yale or Princeton.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: "... Harvard's full athletic scholarships..."


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 23:22:33 11/10/16 Thu

To be fair, financial aid was only standardized across different Ivies back in the old days before the consent decree.

Post-decree, each Ivy can evaluate and award financial aid in any manner that it wants. We read from time to time about students who appeal their initial awards successfully, getting a bigger check from their school.

Furthermore and specific to Harvard, the basketball coach makes more than a million dollars a year. Construction will soon start on an arena costing tens of millions. Now the Wall Street Journal is reporting that which is obvious to any Ivy fan, that Harvard is 100% committed to becoming a basketball "powerhouse," the ostensible restrictions of the AI be damned.

Given the financial commitment of tens of millions of dollars made to coach and stadium as well as the academic sacrifices made in recruiting, what do you think the odds are that a physics major whose family makes $X per year receives the exact same financial aid as a basketball recruit whose family makes the same $X per year?

Low, if not zero. That qualifies as a discretionary kind of athletic scholarship.

And of course, if your family makes less than $100,000 or so, you're on a free ride. Whether you call it financial aid or an athletic scholarship, that's straight cash, homie.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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voy vey (to Sr Punter)
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Date Posted: 20:41:11 11/11/16 Fri

"Do you really believe the published attendance was the actual attendance?"

No. Of course not. Nor have I implied that anywhere.

I'm just comparing announced attendance figures over time. Take that for whatever it's worth.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 21:59:10 11/10/16 Thu

If Cornell actually fielded a winning football program then we would have good attendance numbers given our large student population. We had nearly 16K for Homecoming, but with the losing streak, only the most faithful fans are coming to the games. Unfortunately with our poor record over the past decade plus and a screwed up stadium with no visitor section, and with Harvard's full athletic scholarships stealing the title every year, we probably won't see any changes in the foreseeable future.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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Sprint66
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Date Posted: 23:12:26 11/10/16 Thu

Observer.....matching is worthless and it only means the other Ivies are getting second pickings. We all know Harvard is giving full athletic scholarships in football and basketball. Just ask all the other coaches around this league.

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[> [> Subject: You are lying.


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Observer
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Date Posted: 23:57:42 11/10/16 Thu

We don't "all know" any such thing.

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[> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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Kevin
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Date Posted: 08:21:11 11/12/16 Sat

Only 5,000 in the stands for the biggest game of the year in Philly? Yikes!

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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Old Lion (Night games)
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Date Posted: 09:14:49 11/12/16 Sat

Night games are a terrible idea in the Ivies. Saturday afternoon is the only way to go.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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Kevin
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Date Posted: 13:01:33 11/12/16 Sat

I think Saturday night games work pretty well - Harvard always draws north of 15,000 for its night games against Brown and Holy Cross, and Brown generally has done well above average at the gate (including a near-sellout of 17,000 in 2010) when hosting night games.

But Friday nights just don't work. I know the TV contract probably more than makes up for the loss of paying customers, but it's frustrating to see from a fan perspective.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivy attendance 2016


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foehi
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Date Posted: 13:10:42 11/12/16 Sat

In addition, BLM demonstrators apparently blocked the gates throughout. Where's tear gas when you need it?

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