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Subject: Re: Columbia cancels wrestling match after teamís vile tweets made public


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Diogenes (Asia Sunset)
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Date Posted: 10:51:25 11/11/16 Fri
In reply to: AsiaSunset 's message, "Re: Columbia cancels wrestling match after teamís vile tweets made public" on 10:42:38 11/11/16 Fri

Since when do Federally supported institutions have the right to discriminate against anyone based on the content of their private speech?

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Columbia cancels wrestling match after teamís vile tweets made public


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AsiaSunset
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Date Posted: 11:39:56 11/11/16 Fri

Has nothing to do with the federal government or free speech. A student at a college can say or do whatever they want. But if speech or actions violate the schools code of conduct, any privilege associated with enrollment, including the right to attend, can be taken away.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Columbia cancels wrestling match after teamís vile tweets made public


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sparman
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Date Posted: 12:11:21 11/11/16 Fri

There have been many cases, inlcuding some Supreme Court cases such as California v. Bakke regarding affirmative action issues, holding that mere receipt of federal funds does not make a private instition a "state actor", meaning subject to federal civil liberty constraints.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Columbia cancels wrestling match after teamís vile tweets made public


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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 12:31:17 11/11/16 Fri

So a student can be expelled for burning the American Flag?

A student can be expelled for quotidian private speech?

Students at Columbia have for years been running around publicly and privately calling people racists, fascists, rapists, misogynists etc. They can be expelled for that?

The punishment of private speech by those who are funded by hundreds of millions of dollars of Federal money is unconstitutional action whether by a state actor or otherwise.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Columbia cancels wrestling match after teamís vile tweets made public


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sparman
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Date Posted: 13:07:54 11/11/16 Fri

Obviously you feel philosophically that it is or should be the equivalent, but the fact is that as a matter of law, its not unconstitutional.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Probably depends where he burns it


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 13:59:47 11/11/16 Fri


He burns it in the middle of the dining hall at lunch hour, creating a serious safety issue, then he's definitely gone. The ACLU wouldn't return his call.

If he does it in the middle of the green with no one else around, then that would be an interesting case.

As others have said, private schools have a lot of leeway here.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Probably depends where he burns it


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AsiaSunset
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Date Posted: 14:54:06 11/11/16 Fri

I doubt most college conduct codes would prevent the burning of the flag or other political speech; but calling women c---ts definitely would qualify.

And here the punishment fits the crime. None of these kids are being expelled, nor were any of the Harvard soccer players.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: The Ivies certainly woudln't care


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 16:02:53 11/11/16 Fri


So long as the flag burning doesn't create a physical safety issue, I'd agree that the Ivies wouldn't care.

I'm less confident that other schools would be so accommodating. Just earlier today, some players at UL-L got disciplined for a political video.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/louisiana-lafayette-coach-players-who-made-anti-trump-locker-room-video-were-disciplined-162310066.html

My gut is that we're going to see some test cases in this area in the upcoming years. We will see...

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Case in point


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 13:24:39 11/12/16 Sat


Brown's Richard Jarvis wrote "FDT" on his undershirt sleeves for today's game.

Presumably, it's the same meaning that the UL-L guys were disciplined for.

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