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Subject: Re: Dartmouth Talent Riding the Pine


Author:
Diogenes (Go Green)
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Date Posted: 15:26:09 11/20/16 Sun
In reply to: Go Green 's message, "Dartmouth" on 15:11:23 11/20/16 Sun

All that talent on the bench couldn't beat out the starters that just went 1-6 Ivy.

First place to DFL in one year. Has that ever happened to any other Ivy team since 1956?

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[> [> [> Subject: They were injured, not second string


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 16:11:38 11/20/16 Sun


Sheesh.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Reversion to the Mean


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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 17:05:01 11/20/16 Sun

Teevens returned to Dartmouth in 2005. His Ivy record since then: 1-6; 2-5; 3-4; 0-7; 2-5; 3-4; 3-4; 4-3; 5-2; 6-1; 6-1; 1-6.

36-48 Ivy in the last 12 years. Four winning Ivy seasons since 2005.

Lifetime record at Maine, Dartmouth, Tulane, Stanford and Dartmouth: 113-166-2.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Reversion to the Mean


Author:
Hanover Plain
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Date Posted: 09:32:16 11/21/16 Mon

Seriously, you know that Buddy has taken over a completely broken program everywhere he has been as a HC--five times as a HC at Maine, DArtmouth-2x, Tulane and Stanford.......and now he has TWICE taken Dartmouth from last place to Ivy Champs as a head coach.......and while he did not turnaround the Tulane and Stanford programs as quickly as "the brass" would have liked......those were very, very difficult challenges at the time. Looking at Buddy's lifetime W-L record clearly understates his value as a program (re)builder. With the current difficulties Dartmouth has recruiting against H-Y-P in terms of brand, financial aid packages and coaching salaries, I find it hard not to admire what he has done.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Reversion to the Mean


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 12:19:21 11/21/16 Mon

"while he did not turnaround the Tulane and Stanford programs as quickly as "the brass" would have liked...."

I don't mean to pile on the guy, and there may be various reasons, but wouldn't he have had to actually "turn it around" at either place to even begin considering whether a turn-around was as "quick" as the brass wanted?

At Stanford:

2002: 29
2003: 47
2004: 47

Immediately preceding him, Stanford's record was:
1999: 8-4
2000: 5-6
2001: 9-3


At Tulane:

1992: 29
1993: 48
1994: 110
1995: 29
1996: 29


Immediately preceding him, Tulane's record was:
1989: 4-8
1990: 4-7
1991: 1-10

Dio has some valid points.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Valid points


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 12:40:19 11/21/16 Mon


Only if you enjoy cherry picking.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Reversion to the Mean


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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 12:57:47 11/21/16 Mon

I mistakenly transposed one of the Ivy numbers. In 2011 Teevens was 4-3 Ivy, not 3-4 Ivy. Thus, Teevens is 37-47 Ivy since 2005 and has 5 winning Ivy seasons in his last 12 years at Dartmouth.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: They were injured, not second string


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 17:33:49 11/20/16 Sun


Looking around for anyone who thinks that this year wasn't an aberration besides Dio...

*crickets*

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: They were injured, not second string


Author:
Harvard Crimson Rule!
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Date Posted: 18:56:52 11/20/16 Sun

Sprint did :)

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[> [> [> Subject: As for the freefall


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 16:21:18 11/20/16 Sun


Penn went from Ivy champ to 2-8 in two seasons in the very recent past. They responded with back to back championships.

I'm confident Dartmouth will likewise rebound.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: As for the freefall


Author:
foehi
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Date Posted: 19:55:33 11/20/16 Sun

that's because they got rid of a burned out Bagnoli

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: As for the freefall


Author:
Old,Lion (Al)
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Date Posted: 08:52:23 11/21/16 Mon

And he has only the nicest things to,say about you.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: As for the freefall


Author:
PennLB
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Date Posted: 11:25:00 11/21/16 Mon

Priore vs Bagnoli was not the difference
new DC and new OC were the difference

Priore was horrible as DC his last 2 years and offense was inconsistent at best with a young Torgerson

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