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Subject: Post Season awards


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 10:42:04 11/21/16 Mon

my picks are:

Offensive Player of the yr Princeton's Lovett (no one else even close IMHO)

Defensive player of the yr Dartmouth's Orimolade although a case could be made for Brown's Jarvis who has 18.5 TFL and Columbia's Rea among quite a few others I think it goes to Flo because he has ben a marked man all year and still came through

Rookie of the Yr Dartmouth's Hagdorn with 56 receptions

let the discussion begin

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[> Subject: A bit much...


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 10:59:14 11/21/16 Mon


YMMV, but I think that Justin Watson comes more than close for offensive POY. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets it.

Would love to see Orimolade get defensive POY, although the team's place in the standings could prevent him from getting it.

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[> [> Subject: Watson


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 11:35:29 11/21/16 Mon

great player led the league in receiving and yardage had 8 tds

Lovett 20 rushing tds 10 passing tds gotta go with "Gotta" Lovett

However it will be interesting to see who does get it

just one man's opinion and as I have said many times what the hell do I know anyway

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[> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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Anonymous
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Date Posted: 11:06:30 11/21/16 Mon

Offensive Player of the Year: Justin Watson
Defensive Player of the Year: Dewey Jarvis
Coach of the Year: Bob Surace
Rookie of the Year: Hunter Hagdorn

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[> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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Old Lion (ROY)
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Date Posted: 11:08:12 11/21/16 Mon

Oren Milstein; 12 of 13 FGs and no misses on PATs.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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foehi
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Date Posted: 18:13:33 11/21/16 Mon

if you best rookie is the kicker, no matter how good he might be, you've got problems. But it's Columbia we're talking about, so of course you have problems.

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[> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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Jerrylh
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Date Posted: 11:28:18 11/21/16 Mon

Where do you guys think Princeton's Kurt Holuba fit in.
No one was able to block him all year.

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[> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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Tiger81
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Date Posted: 12:10:38 11/21/16 Mon

I agree with holtsledge both on his picks and the "what the hell do I know" comment (as it applies to me, at least). I don't see how they don't give Lovett the offensive award given that Princeton won the title and had the highest scoring offense in the league by a wide margin and he broke the Tiger's all-time single-season record for TDs. Holuba was a beast but so was Orimolade, I'm hoping Kurt takes home that prize next year.

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[> [> Subject: Penn won the title too


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 13:27:42 11/21/16 Mon


If you want to make the case for Lovett over Watson, saying that Princeton "won the title" won't get you very far.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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Tiger81
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Date Posted: 15:44:06 11/21/16 Mon

Apologies... I should have added that in head-to-head competition Princeton beat Penn 28-0, with Lovett out-gaining Watson and accounting for half of those points.

I have nothing but praise for Watson, he is an outstanding player and had a great year, however Lovett was the most productive member of the best offensive team in the league.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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Anonymous
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Date Posted: 16:14:23 11/21/16 Mon

My rudimentary calculations for total season yardage:

Watson: 1288 yards receiving and rushing
Lovett: 1228 yards rushing, throwing and receiving

My vote is still Watson

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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Ed S.
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Date Posted: 18:33:46 11/21/16 Mon

Watson.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Not exactly


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sparman
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Date Posted: 22:05:05 11/21/16 Mon

According to the respective school websites, it's the reverse order:

Lovett 1259 (rushing 442, passing 582, receiving 235), plus 21 TDs. http://princeton_ftp.sidearmsports.com/statistics/fb/2016/TEAMCUME.HTM

Watson 1248 (rushing 133, receiving 1115), plus 8 TDs. https://penn-platform-api-prod-origin.silverchalice.co/v3/files/5831b7bde4b0646ac215e208

Lovett also won 4 weekly league Ivy League Offensive Player of the Week award, tied for the third-most single-season weekly honors in Ivy League history.

Watson has significant honors, including Walter Payton Award (FCS OPOY) finalist and last year runner-up for OPOY.

Neither one would be a surprise winner.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Not exactly


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Tiger81
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Date Posted: 05:45:08 11/22/16 Tue

Here is one more considerstion in Lovett's favor: his 20 rushing touchdowns this season are the fourth-most in Ivy League history after Ed Marinaro (24, Cornell, 1971), Mike McLeod (23, Yale, 2007), and Tyler Varga (22, Yale, 2014), each of whom was POY. I can't confirm the facts but I'm pretty sure none of those players also passed for 10 TDs.

Watson is the best WR in the league and is a dynamic player but Lovett had a truly historic season this year.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Not exactly


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Anonymous
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Date Posted: 15:42:20 11/22/16 Tue

Sparman,

Don't forget those 31 yards Lovett lost on the ground

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Oops


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sparman
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Date Posted: 17:50:58 11/22/16 Tue

I looked at the wrong column. Would you believe I was an English major?

http://assets.amuniversal.com/a8752a208d850134f586005056a9545d

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[> [> Subject: unfortunately it isn't elementary my dear Watson


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 22:03:58 11/21/16 Mon

this is my last post on the subject

Lovett (I have no idea why I am turning into a Princeton shill) 10 games 30 tds = 3tds/game

Watson 8 tds 10 games .8 tds/ game

any questions,

how bout them 'eers (my adopted home state lived there for 5 yrs in the late 70's early 80's)
http://www.wvusports.com/teams.cfm?sport=football

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[> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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Boston Lion
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Date Posted: 16:29:21 11/21/16 Mon

Defensive POY: Gianmarco Rea, the League's top tackler on the League's 3rd best defense.

ROY: Oren Millstein.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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CU_88
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Date Posted: 19:27:42 11/21/16 Mon

The star of the Princeton D. They were clearly the best in the league and the top player on the D deserves the honor. I would also give the Offensive Player of the year to the Princeton QB.

I will give ROY to Millstein as he won 2 games for CU with his foot.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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HDallmar
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Date Posted: 20:26:32 11/21/16 Mon

Not only did Johnny Lovett of Princeton score 20 Tds, but he threw 10 td passes with a 66.2 completion percentage. If that were not enough, he also caught ten passes including one for a touchdown.

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[> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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TigerTown
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Date Posted: 23:19:01 11/21/16 Mon

Lovett accounted for 31 touchdowns this season (20 rush, 10 pass, 1 receiving). Cornell, Brown, Yale, Dartmouth and Columbia all scored 30 or fewer touchdowns total this season. A remarkable year.

Watson was 12 for 82, 6.9 yds per catch on dink and dunk. Shutout. 10-120 and important TD vs Harvard. Terrific player.

Lovett should win.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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PennLB
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Date Posted: 08:25:38 11/22/16 Tue

Watson is the best player in the League Lovett is the most valuable player on the best team.

Lovett should win, Watson should get drafted

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[> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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Jerrylh
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Date Posted: 14:44:07 11/22/16 Tue

Speaking of draft potential, I wonder if Lovett has any draft potential. He is pretty big at 6'3" 220 pounds as a junior.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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PennLB
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Date Posted: 15:37:47 11/22/16 Tue

There was a Yale QB 20 years ago that had a nice NFL career as a fullback (Hetherinton?) much like the DL from Brown and TE from Harvard. Fullbacks are non existent in college football so the NFL who does not want to run their 20million dollar QBs on short yardage or goal line plays have to be creative in finding big, tough athletes

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Post Season awards


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 16:54:04 11/22/16 Tue

At this point fullbacks - true fullbacks - are mostly non-existent in the NFL, too. You see some so-called "H-backs" who are basically tight ends who can play out of the backfield.

When you look at what happened to Keenan Reynolds (record-setting QB runner, now on a practice squad as a WR/KR) and Terelle Pryor (also now a WR), it's clear to me that Lovet would have a chance only as a WR, but I doubt he's fast enough to play that position in the NFL. Even a big strong runner like Tebow could not find a pro position as a "goal line" runner. Limited roster sizes don't allow teams to carry highly specialized position players who are not truly exceptional.

Sometimes a good college player just doesn't fit at the next level.

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