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Subject: Yale's - Lighting in a Bottle


Author:
Alumni Hyacintho
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Date Posted: 10:58:22 11/21/16 Mon

The hidden little secret on why we won is experience and long term development. For the most part, this is something we are missing. But two weeks ago, a shift happened behind the scenes. Another Coach was given control over the defense. He assessed what he had for talent, tried some strategies against Princeton, and went back to the film room and studied. He analyzed Harvard’s offense, and then put the players in the position to win. Harvard was basing its offense on 7 weeks of the other defense. The players took over from there. The guy behind the scenes did it. He kicked Murphy’s ass. His abilities and knowledge came from solid experience and under the tutelage of veteran coaches. Just as Carm learned under Woody.

Setting him aside, we have problems. There are systematic problems in all the other departments. We will on occasion find lighting in a bottle to have a glorious victory over Harvard, which truly is a glorious thing. Maybe with a little luck, an Ivy League Crown sprinkled in every so often as well.

The question is though, do the young men of Yale, our brothers deserve more. More in terms of a quality strength & conditioning program (The Husker plan is old, not used, and a failure), a fully staffed athletic training program to prevent or handle injuries, and quality management & leadership to develop a long-term plan to become a perennial powerhouse. Suffice it to say, we would all agree to answer yes.

Based on what I heard/read about Friday’s JV game, Harvard looks like it will always be a perennial program. Systems are in place for long term success. With three freshmen on the depth chart, that shows how a deep system can work. Not taking away from our freshmen this year. But year after year, Harvard will always be vying for a crown. Will Yale?

To do so, two things need to happen; 1) the outgoing senior leadership need to speak up, and share the truth to the Yale Football Association heads. You guys reading this need to speak up, only if there is something to say. 2) YFA needs to ask questions, listen, and assess what will improve the program. Yale football is about the history and the young men, your current and future brethren, not who runs the program.

There are some very intelligent people running YFA. They just need to ask questions, and figure where to go from here. WE have the talent, they just need to be put into a position to win every week, and every year. To the Seniors who read this, it is your DUTY to your brothers not to be left behind. To you Football Alums reading this, lead, follow, or get out of the way and quit complaining about the donations and the team.

For the rest of you, wipe the cool aid off your lips, stop writing speculation and crap, and let the cards fall where they fall. IF nothing happens, good for you. Wash, Rinse, and Repeat. Cut and paste this year’s thread for next year.

No responses are needed to this thread, just read this and solve the problem, ONLY if you think we have one.

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Author:
RAY YALE FOOTBALL FAN
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Date Posted: 11:09:49 11/21/16 Mon

I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THE NAME OF THE COACH WHO WAS GIVEN CONTROL OF THE DEFENSE FOR THE LAST 2 WEEKS.

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[> Subject: Re: Yale's - Lighting in a Bottle


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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 13:28:47 11/21/16 Mon

If they needed to play 1 above average game a year the finale was the one to do it. But let's be realistic, Yale has not developed as a program. If they had then the season wouldn't have collapsed from under them until game 10. If 1 game is worth the entire season then that's not something to be proud of.

Harvard had not been playing well since the win over Dartmouth and even that game was iffy. They had not played well in spots all season. The Columbia game really exposed them. Whatever their problems were caught up with them. They have barely hung on and haven't had much fight in them the last few games. That is why Yale won, not because the Yale program is headed upwards.

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Doggers
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Date Posted: 13:33:18 11/21/16 Mon

Yale's strength and conditioning program is well regarded in the league and by current and former players. You are clueless.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Yale's - Lighting in a Bottle


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Real Fan
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Date Posted: 08:01:11 11/22/16 Tue

Not so sure about that.......

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[> [> Subject: Re: Yale's - Lighting in a Bottle


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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 13:32:25 11/22/16 Tue

No doubt Yale players have a strength and conditioning program. The comment is about the overall performance of the team which was subpar for just about the entire season. They played well in spots and only beat Harvard because Harvard found a way to deteriorate the latter part of the season.

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First-hand man
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Date Posted: 04:05:42 11/23/16 Wed

Yale's new strength/conditioning program is terrible. Most players are now heavier, slower, and weaker as the lifting regiment is poorly designed (despite accolades to the contrary). The only players showing improvement are those who were not avid lifters to begin with. This is a big reason injuries have been such a problem.

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old blue
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Date Posted: 01:42:44 11/22/16 Tue

Gentlemen; to mr alumni pray tell who is the masked man behind the curtain who devised the splendid defensive scheme for our blue squad.

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[> Subject: Re: Yale's - Lighting in a Bottle


Author:
Alumni Hyacintho
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Date Posted: 10:39:51 11/22/16 Tue

McGowan

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[> Subject: Re: Yale's - Lighting in a Bottle


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Just so you know...
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Date Posted: 10:59:13 11/22/16 Tue

1)McGowan called the defense.
2)The S & C program is not well regarded by the current players. It was a major source of discontent all year. Not because they didn't want to work hard. The mind games were ridiculous. Reno bought into this guy and lost some credibility with his players. They consider the new S&C guy to be a complete farce.
3)Not sure opening poster is, but he pretty much nailed it!

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old blue
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Date Posted: 12:08:01 11/22/16 Tue

gentlemen; my hats off to mr.mcgowan well played it is my sincere hope he remains with our blue squad next year.

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remember it well
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Date Posted: 12:37:03 11/22/16 Tue

Mcgowan was assistant to the "guru" of college football defensive coordinators Don Brown when both were at BC.

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old blue
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Date Posted: 14:34:23 11/22/16 Tue

gentlemen; mr mcgowan's defensive scheme in the tiger and cantab tilts was definitely an improvement. our blue controlling the pigskin in the cantab contest was definitely part of the success formula. i look forward to viewing how it translates to next season the return of mr rymiszzewski and possible return of mr tyler and mr oluokun.we will need to fill the loss of interior linebackers mr egu and mr manora who excelled at stopping opponents running attack.mr herubin played well at defensive end during three man interior line set would like to see him back at defensive end full time next year.

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[> Subject: Not to be a wet blanket, but...


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voy vey
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Date Posted: 22:07:19 11/22/16 Tue

Re-reading the first post, I have to ask:
Was it a genius defensive scheme from McGowan...or was merely it the fact that Yale employed a scheme that Harvard was not expecting/not prepared for?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Not to be difficult but...


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 07:30:59 11/23/16 Wed

Is there really a difference?

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L et V
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Date Posted: 07:45:31 11/23/16 Wed

Having performed the first of three required miracles, McGowan should be readying himself for canonization.

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voy vey
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Date Posted: 12:53:35 11/23/16 Wed

No difference looking backward, but for the future, yes, there is a difference.
Everyone seems ready to anoint McGowan as The Savior Of The Program Going Forward, because "his" defense beat Harvard.
But, was Harvard beaten by "his" defense? Or just the fact that Harvard wasn't prepared for ANY different defense?

I ask because, if McG is given the reins and 'his' defense gets torched next year by everyone, once they are prepared for it, then what has been gained?

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Calvin
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Date Posted: 13:08:30 11/23/16 Wed

Understood. My perspective was that preparing a scheme that Harvard was not expecting/not prepared for was a smart move, and one that would be hoped for in the future.

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voy vey
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Date Posted: 14:49:18 11/23/16 Wed

Agreed. Implementing a 'surprise' scheme was a good move, one that helped win the day.
I just hope that if McGowan is given greater leeway in the future, that he is not a one-trick-pony.

Interestingly, this revelation seems to argue that the talent was always there, but was just not being utilized properly. In other words, the primary factor in the defense's shortcomings this season was scheme, not execution. Pretty much the opposite of what Coach Reno usually places the blame upon...

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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 21:55:19 11/27/16 Sun

Maybe the players were just finally motivated to really play. Is it reasonable to implement that many adjustments to confuse and confound Harvard with limited practice 1 week in advance? If Yale was that gifted a defense they would have made those changes already and won games they needed to win.

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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 07:37:46 11/23/16 Wed

McGowan should be named as the sole defensive coordinator. Vashel should be let go.

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[> Subject: Re: Yale's - Lighting in a Bottle


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Old Eli
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Date Posted: 14:37:31 11/23/16 Wed

I don't get why this is a big deal. He has the co-coordinator title, it's not like some grad assistant was let loose to wreak havoc.

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Ricks
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Date Posted: 16:38:22 11/23/16 Wed

All of foregoing are on the money. I did NOT get to The Game, because I sustained an accidental fall while strolling to Harvard Stadium; fell to the ground which made people look the other way at my bloody face as they passed me by. Mass. State police arrived, hoisted me up and got me into an ambulance over to St. Elizabeth's medical Center in nearby Brighton. I'm told this was the site for the TV program "St. Elsewhre". Anyhow, after all was said and done, I was diagnosed with a "syncope" and kept overnight where I was tortured with various procedures, including CT scans; quarts of blood withdrawn every 4 hours, day & nite etc. etc.
Only good thing was my son & grandson saw Yale's first victory over the Cantabs in 10 years. I will get to see the taped TV version when my son makes me a copy.
God bless all you faithful brethren whose insights and opinions I have enjoyed all year, whether I agreed with you at all times, or you with me.
LET US HOPE THE BIG BUCKERS OF THE FOOTBALL Y ASSOCIATION GET OFF THEIR COLLECTIVE RUMPS; TAKE SALOVEY TO THE WOODSHED; SHUT DOWN DONATIONS UNTIL HE AND BECKETT COME UP WITH A PLAN TO RESTORE YALE FOOTBALL TO WHAT IT ONCE WAS AND SHOULD BE AGAIN!....FOR GOD FOR COUNTRY AND FOR YALE!!!

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Author:
remember it well
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Date Posted: 17:24:03 11/23/16 Wed

Wishing you a speedy recovery from your injury Ricks. Yale football is lucky to have such a devoted fan. Here's a link to the game on You Tube. Hope you enjoy watching it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0O5Hxl5Yq8

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[> [> [> Subject: Get Well Soon


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 17:37:29 11/23/16 Wed

Ricks, you are a martyr for Yale Football. Get well soon. The teams needs fans like you next season.

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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 17:42:05 11/23/16 Wed

holy smokes too bad you missed the game but glad you are ok

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old blue
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Date Posted: 23:20:01 11/23/16 Wed

gentlemen; there are very few dyed in the wool blues which reach the level of distinction as mr ricks sorry you missed an absolutely splendid contest by our blue squad shades of yesteryear get well soon and let's took forward to next year

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Ricks
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Date Posted: 12:32:12 11/24/16 Thu

Thanks to all my well wishers! Today (Thursday) I am sporting two huge black eyes; looking like Rocky Racoon!! Haven't looked this bad since high school without face masks!!

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old blue
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Date Posted: 22:12:13 11/26/16 Sat

gentlemen; good to hear our friend mr ricks is on the mend and avail silane for our next blue squad victory at the bowl

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[> Subject: Re: Yale's - Lighting in a Bottle Don't know what to think


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Yale OL
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Date Posted: 21:11:59 11/24/16 Thu

Talked with an uncle today who has close ties to the Yale team and alums. He agree that Reno probably did save his job with the win on Saturday but he did say that some prominent alums and a former coach are high on Reno and his handling of the program. My uncle mentioned he went to a few practices this year and was impressed with what we saw and mentioned that they tape practice with a drone. I argued about all the injuries, the strength coach, all the frosh that started. His only response was that Yale will be even better next year due to all the freshmen who started. Who knows what to think about this team for next season

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Ricks
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Date Posted: 09:49:18 12/03/16 Sat

If any final decisions about Coach Reno staying or leaving have been made I have not heard. As I previously posted, one of my contacts with AD Beckett showed he realy thought Reno was "the guy" for Yale football. I think this was like the late 30's when "Ducky" Pond lost to the Tigers in 1939 but beat Harvard and saved his job for one more year, when Spike Nelson and then Howie Odell came in and it wasn't until 1944 that Odell, with the help of the Navy's V-12 program, had an unbeaten season, with wins over North Carolina and a 6 to 6 tie with Virginia in their final game. (The good old days!!)
Will we see TR for one more year while a rebuilding program is formulated? Gotta convince TB it's needed!!

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old blue
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Date Posted: 17:16:40 12/03/16 Sat

gentlemen; mr pond was an excellent halfback and coach for our blue squad including the famous 1934 squad which upset the heavily favored tigers with eleven players playing the entire game.unfortunately mr pond did not have an undefeated squad with great teams in 1936 suffering one loss and 1937 one loss and a tie. winning record four wins and three losses against the cantabs.both mr kelly and mr frank spoke highly of him until their respective passings.

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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 18:33:43 12/03/16 Sat

During the latter part of his tenure, I believe that Coach Pond was assisted by a young coach working his way through Yale Law, Gerald R. Ford, previously an All America center at Michigan. President Ford always spoke fondly of his years at Yale.

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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 20:00:04 12/03/16 Sat

The year Clint Frank won the Heisman, the runner-up was Byron "Whizzer" White. Clint Frank, Whizzer White and Gerald Ford--quite a group.

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