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Subject: Re: Dartmouth


Author:
voy vey
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Date Posted: 11:51:44 11/21/16 Mon
In reply to: Go Green 's message, "Dartmouth" on 15:11:23 11/20/16 Sun

Per the author's request....submitted for discussion, without comment:


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Subject: Like the Five Stages of Grief & Loss...
Author: Jack Hatfield (NexTitle19)
Date Posted: 06:41:17 07/01/16 Fri

...the journey of any losing football program on its way to annual championship contention involves overcoming what I call The 5 Biases of Opposing Fans, which are typically based on the same assumptions that most San Diego weathermen have: Tomorrow will be pretty much like yesterday. Herewith the 5 biases:

1. No way that team will have a winning record
2. No way that team finishes in the top half of the League
3. No way that team contends for the title this year
4. No way that team wins the title this year
5. No way that team reloads - it must rebuild!!

All 5 are rooted largely in conventional wisdom and outdated information.

Feel free to quote me next November when the post mortems are done.

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[> [> [> Subject: Dartmouth DID reload in 2016...


Author:
Jack Hatfield (Voy Vey: Oy Vey)
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Date Posted: 13:50:30 11/21/16 Mon

...about which you can ask UNH or Holy Cross, or Towson for that matter, but could not reload a second time after a prolific number of injuries struck an already young team before, early in and throughout the season. My earlier words will prove prophetic next fall when Reload Redux returns NexTitle20 to The Woods.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: According to Dio


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 14:30:42 11/21/16 Mon


There is no record of Dartmouth having played UNH, Holy Cross, or Towson this season.

My own humble opinion is that if Dartmouth had Perry and McManus, we would have had a few more W's. If they return back to normal in 2017 we will find out because they're going to be surrounded by pretty much the rest of the 2016 team.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Towson


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 17:39:26 11/21/16 Mon

Mighty 4-7 Towson, which gave away its chance to beat Dartmouth with not one but two blocked FG kicks in the final few minutes.

Honestly, bringing up Towson merely proves Dio's point.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Towson


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 17:57:43 11/21/16 Mon


Sagarin has them at one of the better OOC teams the Ivy faced, and would have placed them fourth in the Ivy.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Dartmouth DID reload in 2016...


Author:
LionFan
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Date Posted: 15:32:25 11/21/16 Mon

Who are these great players that were injured?

My guess is every team averages out to have the same number of injuries per season. I constantly hear the Yale faithful use injuries as their excuse and now the Big Green.

Every team has injuries and the top few each season are talented and deep enough to win despite them.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Go Green


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 18:04:35 11/21/16 Mon


Jackson Perry and Danny McManus were expected to be All-Ivy guys. They were injured early enough to qualify for an extra year if they choose to take it.

Other starters/contributors who missed games (some more than others) were Miles Smith, Ryder Stone, Kyle McKinney-Crudden, Bun Stratton, Micah Croom, Ross Wood, Jack Traynor, Zach Hussain, Rocco DiLeo, David Chalmbers, Colin Bolt, Charlie Miller, Darius George, Brian Fordon, Emmanuel Soto, and Houston Brown.

Jack and Holtsledge--did I overlook anyone?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I've made thousands of posts here...


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 18:11:20 11/21/16 Mon


First time I think I entered my handle in both boxes.

Long day. :)

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Dartmouth DID reload in 2016...


Author:
LionFan
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Date Posted: 19:14:13 11/21/16 Mon

Again, if you remember back to your playing days there are typically 1-3 starters that get dinged each game. Especially now with new heightened concussion protocols. They miss a game or two and come back. Each roster in the league could list 15-20 players that missed a game or two.

Half the kids you mentioned would have never been starters and missing a game with a sprained ankle certainly isn't news worthy.

I will bet last years Dartmouth injury list (games missed) was just as long. They were just a better/deeper team

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Not really.


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 19:17:12 11/21/16 Mon


The 2015 team was relatively injury free.

This year, 2011, and 1994 stand out as especially bad injury and/or suspension years for Dartmouth. All three teams finished below expectations.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Dartmouth


Author:
Grean Beans ((Go Green))
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Date Posted: 18:54:00 11/21/16 Mon

Starting linebacker Alex McCrory tore his ACL in the towson game

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Of course


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 19:14:40 11/21/16 Mon


I'm embarrassed for overlooking him. He probably had the worst injury of all of them.

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[> [> [> Subject: With that many injuries...


Author:
voy vey
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Date Posted: 21:09:18 11/21/16 Mon

...all I can conclude is: those tackling robots must hit back pretty hard.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: We upgraded the robots from a B2 to a B7


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 07:32:51 11/22/16 Tue


For the Twilight Zone fans out there.

:)

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[> [> [> Subject: relax guys


Author:
holtsledge
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Date Posted: 21:46:34 11/21/16 Mon

season is over

we didn't do as well as we hoped

Tigers were the best team in the league and they proved it Sat. Penn was the second best and Harvard the third and then then Brown Yale and Columbia, we only beat 1 ivy team and that was Cornell. Bad year move on (definitely not.org)

Let's look to the bright side, we were real young lotto talented players coming back and most of all after a long season covering the team BW finally gets a well deserved break to enable him to comfortably organize his paint brush collection, which I hear apparently is very extensive

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Sagarin has us at #4


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 06:03:17 11/22/16 Tue


Sagarin knows that we had a lot of injuries and were better than our record.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Poor GG


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 09:13:56 11/22/16 Tue

I think of him blasting off to his own Twilight Zone world every time I see those Rocket Mortgage ads. Always playing the lawyer.

"Sagrain knows we had injuries" - if GG means that Jeff Sagrin personally was following the Dartmouth injury situation, it's theoretically possible he might be right, although I doubt it. But oddly he has not, as far as anyone other than GG can tell, added an injury adjustment to his ranking formula - even more oddly, his system is sometimes criticized because it does NOT take injuries into account. Since, according to GG, he obviously follows Dartmouth - go figure.

But forget the ludicrosity (yes, I made that up, sue me) of his argument. Perhaps he has not realized that, by his logic, Mighty 4-7 Towson is better than Dartmouth because -SAGARIN SAYS SO!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Outside of Lehigh, Fordham, and Colgate


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 10:17:03 11/22/16 Tue


Who was better than Towson on the Ivy's OOC schedule this season?

You can mock the Ivies for weak OOC teams. But you can find much, much better targets than Towson.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: And


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 10:31:36 11/22/16 Tue


And I'm glad you envision me playing the lawyer in Twilight Zone and not getting beaten to a pulp by a B7 like Lee Marvin.

:)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: No


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 12:09:48 11/22/16 Tue

I envision you using legal skills to accomplish an end result as useful as that achieved by lawyer for Walter Bedeker in "Escape Clause."

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