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Subject: Re: Desperate Defenestration


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Hanover Plain
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Date Posted: 10:00:59 11/29/16 Tue
In reply to: Ivyleaguer 's message, "Re: Desperate Defenestration" on 08:29:17 11/29/16 Tue

Ivy Leaguer....if Buddy has never done this before in three decades as a HC, and he has had plenty of losing seasons to deal with.......don't you think there just MAY have been some good reasons for doing it? Buddy has never been in the "blame game" business.

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Old Eli
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Date Posted: 10:42:04 11/29/16 Tue

unfortunately Buddy has also rarely been in the "winning" business.




sorry. went for the cheap & easy. pray do continue.

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Go Green
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Date Posted: 11:06:08 11/29/16 Tue


That's big talk from a guy whose team broke a four-game losing streak to Dartmouth this season.

See you in Hanover next October.

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old blue
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Date Posted: 12:23:45 11/29/16 Tue

gentlemen; may i dare say mr teevens overall record of wins 112 losses 163 and 2 ties is not very overwhelming.mr teevens has also compiled losing records in his last three stops including green wave,west coast indians and current tribe.the tom toms say he was lucky to escape the west coast reservation with his scalp.

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Diogenes (old blue)
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Date Posted: 12:52:31 11/29/16 Tue

Teevens' coup stick has few notches.

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Old Eli
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Date Posted: 01:21:13 12/04/16 Sun

perhaps the extra spacing threw you off and you missed the last line of my post

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Green Everywhere
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Date Posted: 13:09:48 11/29/16 Tue

Well, Reno's has none...

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old blue
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Date Posted: 13:15:17 11/29/16 Tue

gentlemen; by my count only one notch in past twenty-five years.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: A War Council of One


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Diogenes (old blue)
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Date Posted: 13:59:49 11/29/16 Tue


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Hanover Plain
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Date Posted: 19:03:12 11/29/16 Tue

Try three Ivy titles as HC at Dartmouth

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Hanover Plain
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Date Posted: 19:07:02 11/29/16 Tue

And both times at Dartmouth Buddy was hired by a program that was dead last in the Ivies at the time

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: That's false


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Diogenes (Hanover Plain)
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Date Posted: 19:58:28 11/29/16 Tue

Joe Yukica's last year was 1986 when he finished 4th in the Ivy League with a 3-3-1 record. Teevens took over in 1987 and was 2-8 in his first year.

Yukicka won 3 Ivy championships in his 8 years ar Dartmouth. Teevens has won 3 Ivy championships in his 17 years at Dartmouth. Two his first stint (1987-1991) and one in his second stint (2005-2016).

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: And the year after


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 20:12:38 11/29/16 Tue


Teevens went .500, which Yukica hadn't done in the previous five seasons.

That being said, Yukica was screwed over by the admissions department at the time. I have a lot of sympathy for him.

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Diogenes (Go Green)
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Date Posted: 21:00:58 11/29/16 Tue

Yukicka's 1982 team tied for the Ivy championship with a 5-2 record and was 5-5 overall. Yukica was a good man and a good coach. When he left Boston College for Dartmouth he was the winningest coach in B.C. history (68-37 or something like that).

Teevens was 2-8 in 1987 and thereafter 5-5, 5-5, 7-2-1 and 7-2-1 before leaving for Tulane in 1991.

Teevens stunk up the gym at Tulane (11-45) and Stanford (10-23) and has now spent 12 years at Dartmouth without beating Harvard, presenting Dartmouth with its first winless season since the 19th century in 2008 and going from first to last in the Ivies in one year.

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Go Green
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Date Posted: 21:18:46 11/29/16 Tue


Yukica hadn't gone .500 since the previous five seasons.

:)

I also can't get why you pretend OOC games don't exist. Had Yukica gone 6-3-1 in 1986 rather than 3-6-1, he might have been retained (the lawsuit notwithstanding). I seriously doubt anyone in 1986 cared that we took fourth in the league after six consecutive nonwinning seasons.

No argument that he was a good man and a good coach. Like John Lyons, he had the rug pulled out from under him by the admissions department.

Just like Teevens at Stanford.

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Diogenes (Go Green)
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Date Posted: 22:13:29 11/29/16 Tue

You're right about the admissions department. John Lyons didn't suddenly become a lousy coach after 1996. He got the rawest of deals. Even worse than Yukica. The new admissions dean is from D-III. D-III and we'll see.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Serious question


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 07:45:48 11/30/16 Wed


Is there a reason why you (correctly, IMHO) recognize the extenuating circumstances for Yukica's and Lyons' struggles at Dartmouth, but insist Teevens was completely responsible for his record at Stanford?

I mean, it's been pointed out repeatedly that the Stanford admissions director was anti-athletics during his tenure.

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/HIGHER-STANDARDS-Stanford-teams-finding-it-s-2589894.php

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Calvin
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Date Posted: 15:33:21 11/29/16 Tue

You can't fault a head coach for trying to fix problems.

You can wonder how, if he let things get to the point of such a radical and sudden change, his judgment is on point or if he has truly figured out what the problem(s) is/are. Major surgery means more disruption and requires longer recuperation.

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Defense Lover
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Date Posted: 12:18:51 11/30/16 Wed

The talent JY inherited when he arrived at DC was how he was so successful. By the time he left, he had lost his energy and it showed in the results. BT inherited a weak program his first time at DC, but this time the program was in a huge hole. Forget the records, the talent was just not there thanks to 5 or 6 years of the Admissions office screwing the program. The talent was miserable, not to mention the facilities compared with others. As for the change in the O coaches, the O was so predictable that it was embarrassing. Part of BT's change in approach when he hired the new O Coordinator and new D Coordinator 5 or so years ago was to let them run their piece of the pie. Worked well with the new D coordinator, but with the new O Coordinator, the lack of creativity was hidden by a fantastic 4 year QB. But the last half of the '15 season, the O was simply average even with the all everything QB. The D won the title last year. This year the O some good stats but could never make the big play in close games. But should those games even have been close with the talent on the field? I don't think so. So, something had to change. The O Coordinator is a great line coach but as a Coordinator, he just did not make the grade. And he'll do great in his limited role.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: In fairness...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 13:02:58 11/30/16 Wed


While I agree with the vast majority of what you wrote, if Yukica had "lost his energy" in 1986, then Dartmouth deserves a lot of that blame.

The AD tried to get Yukica to resign after 1985. Yukica sued to play out his contract. The parties settled (although Yukica won some early rounds before the judge). Story I heard was that the Dartmouth administration was very pissed at him and wanted to make his life as difficult as possible that final year. Among other things, the AD refused to send janitorial services to the football offices to empty trash or replace toiler paper.

Couple that with several blowout losses early in the season, it's easy to see why Yukica wasn't having any fun. Credit to him for a strong finish at the end of the season, though.

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Date Posted: 14:24:34 11/30/16 Wed

Teevens did not do his homework on Keith Clark. Clark's play calling at Yale was predictable and cost them a few games in 2008 (with largely the same squad as the 9-1 2007 team). He is a fabulous o-line coach though.

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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 15:07:52 11/30/16 Wed


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Diogenes (Spelling error)
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Date Posted: 18:46:54 11/30/16 Wed


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Author:
old blue
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Date Posted: 12:55:29 12/01/16 Thu

gentlemen; for what it is worth i agree mr clark was an excellent offensive line coach for our blue squad and would be a welcome addition back. as to his play calling on behalf of our blue squad although my recollection my be hazy was limited to possibly at junior varsity games. if you want to review predictable play calling may i remind everyone of mr laspina's rendition of mr hayes playbook.

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