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Subject: Re: PSU is back


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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 12:45:40 12/04/16 Sun
In reply to: holtsledge 's message, "PSU is back" on 00:04:38 12/04/16 Sun

I'm massively unimpressed with both Wash and Clemson. Under these admittedly odd circumstances, I'd go 1) Bama 2-3) PSU and Clemson 4) OSU. That actually offers a real chance of an all-BIG final, which is fair, or a Bama-Clemson drawlfest, which is fair too (although I got PSU in the semi). OSU should be penalized for its moment of brainlock by playing Bama in the first round, not by pretending that Pac12 is a serious football conference.

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Author:
Boston Lion
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Date Posted: 13:45:14 12/04/16 Sun

"PSU is back," huh? The fact that people still tolerate, let alone actually root for, PSU after what that warped program did to those kids in the showers shows how these United States are in a flat-out race to the bottom.

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[> [> Subject: give it up


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 14:57:03 12/04/16 Sun

So one person is a pervert and you tar the whole program? The kids playing their hearts out on the field had nothing to do with what happened and you know it. A new coach and players long removed from what obviously was a terrible tragedy. I feel for the kids that were horribly abused but the current players and coaches are innocent.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: give it up


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Tad
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Date Posted: 08:15:59 12/05/16 Mon

Yet we bemoan the depths to which the Ivy's have sunk due to the de-emphasis of football. Is there a middle ground? How can it be achieved? Set a ceiling that is is impossible for a program to break through by rule bending and a floor that no probram be allowed to fall through without conference intervention. Impossible task? What is the ceiling that precludes deification and a sense that they can do whatever they want with impunity?

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Author:
Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 15:57:19 12/05/16 Mon

The ceiling that precludes deification is not being allowed to compete in the post season for a National Championship at the FBS level. That ceiling was permanently codified when the Ivy League was down graded to the FCS level.

As a result of the FCS downgrade there is no further need to deemphasize football by banning post season football play. Ivy League football teams should now be allowed to avidly pursue National Championships at the FCS level through participation in the FCS playoffs.

That is the happy medium that needs to be attained between deification and irrelevancy.

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Tad
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Date Posted: 08:56:47 12/06/16 Tue

Agreed. My gut reaction in the past has always been that to participate in the FCS Playoffs is tacitly accepting the humiliating demotion to IAA. Each passing year softens the pain and brings clarity to the realization that the golden years are long gone. Let's just stop punishing the football teams for past abuses and let them compete, like every other Ivy sport, to show what they can do on the national level.

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[> [> Subject: Re: PSU is back


Author:
M3
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Date Posted: 15:34:59 12/04/16 Sun

I agree that it was a heinous affair but at what point does it end?

PSU has paid out over $60 million in restitution.

Those involved directly or indirectly have been discredited.

What more needs to be done?

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Author:
HDallmer
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Date Posted: 15:40:31 12/04/16 Sun

It was more than one person. Former Penn State President Spanier and aides Curley and Schultz are awaiting trial. Stay tuned.

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Boston Lion
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Date Posted: 21:32:49 12/04/16 Sun

As stated by another commenter, it was way more than just one person. Way more. It was an entire culture and mindset that substituted things that don't matter for things that do.

I still remember watching a broadcast showing Penn State students when the NCAA sanctions were being announced live, and the expression on one girl's face in reaction to the NCAA discipline looked as if she had just learned that both of her parents had just died in a plane crash. Warped values and no perspective.

Programs like these that trump all other worldly concerns, deify the participants, and elevate a mere game to something that religions can only envy are simply the wrong way. Good luck to us when our global economic rivals in the competitions that really matter run us off our feet because we're just too busy watching this nonsense non-stop on the boob tube.

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Author:
Go...'gate
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Date Posted: 23:16:08 12/05/16 Mon

Let's not forget Saint Joe, the man who committed significant sins of omission.

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[> [> Subject: Re: PSU is back


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Sam
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Date Posted: 15:29:00 12/05/16 Mon

This is an absolutely absurd thing to write: not one person involved with the Penn State football program was at the University during the period you cite. Get a life and stop living in the past, which clearly has passed you by and left you embittered.

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