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Subject: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


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Date Posted: 23:12:59 12/05/16 Mon

Interesting article.

http://www.centraljersey.com/sports/princeton-pu-football-deserved-playoff-shot/article_148fa6c8-b7d4-11e6-8ca5-1fb07e96017e.html

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 07:48:31 12/06/16 Tue

Excellent article. The author builds a common sense case for the playoffs and exposes the hypocrisy and injustice of the current Ivy League policy.

It's time for a change. The question is which Ivy League president will take up this cause. If only one would publicly champion it opposition would quickly crumble under the weight of simple logic and fairness.

I beleive in the end truth always wins, so I 'm hopefull a change agent amongst the Ivy Presidents will champion this issue soon.

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[> [> Subject: All it takes is one school


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 08:38:05 12/06/16 Tue


Of course, that school's name begins with the letter "H."

If Harvard wants postseason play, it will happen. If they don't, then it won't.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: All it takes is one school -- That School That School


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 10:29:56 12/06/16 Tue

Right now, Harvard is doing more to undermine the traditional academic principles of the Ivy League since they led the charge to rein in Penn's perceived abuses in the 1970's.

The question is whether Harvard would take any public action to loosen the prohibition against playoff football, thereby publicly chipping away at the historical excuse of protecting first semester exams, when the Crimson are already at risk of being viewed as not committed to academic rigor.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Yeah, I'm sure Harvard's trembling


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 10:37:39 12/06/16 Tue


"Harvard does whatever the hell they want."

--John Lyons

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Marcia! Marcia! Marcia! Harvard! Harvard! Harvard!


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:20:34 12/06/16 Tue

In the famous words of Jan Brady, "It's always about Harvard. Harvard! Harvard! Harvard!"

You know, I'd be willing to forgive all of Harvard's transgressions if they would just stop cheating in men's basketball or, as Foehi would call it, basketball.

Harvard, STOP lowering academic standards in men's basketball. You're ruining what the Ivy League stands for. If we don't stand for high academic standards, why have an Ivy League at all? STOP IT, for the good of all eight institutions of higher LEARNING.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Marcia! Marcia! Marcia! Harvard! Harvard! Harvard!


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 14:46:49 12/06/16 Tue

Or, as suggested by some folks around here a while ago, they could acknowledge the obvious and join their academic and athletically philosophical peers at Ohio State.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


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Tad
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Date Posted: 08:38:54 12/06/16 Tue

Agreed. The Ivy Agreement was a noble endeavor to counter the growing abuses of big time football. Mission accomplished. The 1978 NCAA ruling put the final nail in the coffin guaranteeing that never again would any Ivy team reach the heights that the progenitors of the sport once held. Like any reaction to a crisis, the pendulum has been shifted completely to the opposite side. Spring practice and a 10 game season have helped to bring it back toward center, but it's time to complete the job and let the teams play under the same rules as the rest of IAA. I have no problem with retaining the no scholarship rule or any other rule that could be reimagined to stack a team with ringers in the fashion of some of teams through the 40's. 11-12 games and participation the the playoffs will do nothing to that end and merely prolong the pendulum shift.

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 09:10:00 12/06/16 Tue

How often this small group repeats the same argument, to no one in authority, to no one inclined to be open, and ultimately to no avail.

The Big 0's of the world may be a minority, but they aren't going to stop clutching their attitudes any time soon.

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 09:29:27 12/06/16 Tue

I find it hard to believe that no one who reads this message board has access to an Ivy President. You know who you are. Say something.

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


Author:
remember it well
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Date Posted: 10:44:13 12/06/16 Tue

Access to the most senior Ivy admins has always been there in some fashion whether it be from board posters or alums that send in their endowment contributions. There's simply not enough influence among the constituency to have an effect on the collective attitudes of Ivy prexies on this subject. As indicated in some of my previous posts there is no motivation for change on their part - if the goal of the Ivy principles regarding football is to "de-emphasize" why would the admins do anything to change the status quo. We see the near empty stands and say something has to be done to increase fan interest - they see the same picture and say why bother to do anything when there is so little fan interest in Ivy football esp from students.
Back in the glory days of Yale football the Yale presidents were Yale alums who had a connection to the school's football tradition. Similar situations with other Ivy presidents back in the days when being an undergraduate alum was practically a pre-requisite to achieve that top position. Those were the days when a conversation on the subject of football with the school"s president could be quite meaningful. That type of connection between supporters/boosters and the admins has been long gone.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 12:01:18 12/06/16 Tue

There are still alumni out there who could influence an Ivy League president on football policy, if they only had the mind to do so. I bet President Salovey would listen carefully to Stephen Schwarzman if he were to advocate for a renewed emphasize to the football program. $150mm donations and access to the Ptesident of the United States is hard to ignore. Governor George Pataki is another alum who could lobby Salovey for football playoff participation. I'm sure there are many more with the influence to initiate change, or at least to get it on the agenda at the next Ivy Council Presidents meeting.

http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2016/12/05/schwarzman-69-to-advise-trump/

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


Author:
Diogenes (Son of Eli)
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Date Posted: 12:18:32 12/06/16 Tue

If you think speaking or dealing with an Ivy President is an edifying experience, you've never spoken or dealt with an Ivy President.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


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remember it well
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Date Posted: 12:24:35 12/06/16 Tue

Pataki is well known to be a loyal alum and enthusiastic Yale football fan. No idea if Schwarzman is a football booster or not. The reality is they both have bigger fish to fry than lobbying Salovey for football playoff participation.
Waiting to see if there are any alums out there that could influence football policy seems to me like "waiting for godot".

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[> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 12:27:50 12/06/16 Tue

As Ivy League Presidents repeatedly cave in on important principles like free speech and due process with very little pressure I don't think it would take much pressure for them to change their stance on postseason play for football.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 12:59:55 12/06/16 Tue

They respond to pressure on issues they care about. Football is somewhere behind concern over the naming of Columbus Day and election mental anguish.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 13:03:47 12/06/16 Tue

You forgot Halloween costumes.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 13:18:41 12/06/16 Tue

Yes, it's too scary to discuss.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Princeton Football Deserves Title Shot (Central Jersey.com)


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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 13:25:51 12/06/16 Tue

If given the choice, Ivy presidents would bulldoze the football stadiums and turn them into "safe spaces" for the culturally offended.

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