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Subject: Ivies in the FCS Playoffs


Author:
Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 02:54:57 12/07/16 Wed
In reply to: Son of Eli 's message, "Army Bowl Bound" on 12:13:34 12/05/16 Mon

The bowl system is too cluttered as it is with too many irrelevant games. You have to remember the only reason bowls exist is for the payout to the schools in exchange for fan tourists and TV advertising and broadcasting revenue. Even U Louisiana Lafayette would attract more fans to a bowl game than an ivy program would.

There have been a few seasons where it would have been much more preferable to see an ivy team that is ranked to get into the FCS playoffs. There have been some Penn and Harvard teams over the years that might have fared pretty well.

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Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 21:26:28 12/07/16 Wed

Neither Harvard nor Penn fans would stream to the heartland for a New Year's Eve clash with Northeast South Dakota State.

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[> [> [> Subject: Welcome back, O


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voy vey
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Date Posted: 11:40:19 12/08/16 Thu

Anything interesting happen since 11/18?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivies in the FCS Playoffs


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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 23:25:19 12/08/16 Thu

No fans need make the trek for a game. FCS playoff is not really about the revenue (many strong programs do not draw well). I was thinking more for the teams to see how far they can take their season. We all know the IL argument against playoff participation but I don't agree with it. If an ivy team is qualified for an invite then they should pursue it.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivies in the FCS Playoffs


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Observer
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Date Posted: 00:24:30 12/09/16 Fri

I don't agree with your not agreeing.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: I agree Al


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Old Tiger
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Date Posted: 12:10:35 12/09/16 Fri


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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivies in the FCS Playoffs


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sparman
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Date Posted: 13:59:15 12/10/16 Sat

I don't think fans in the Dakotas care whether ivy fans show up, they will gladly take up any available seats.

Fun game being played now between NDSU and SDS.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: To your point ---


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Observer
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Date Posted: 14:26:19 12/10/16 Sat

Why should non-caring Ivy fans traipse out to north, east, south, west or central Dakota on Christmas Eve simply because the Dakotans themselves care?

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivies in the FCS Playoffs


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sparman
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Date Posted: 14:43:42 12/10/16 Sat

Doesn't matter whether they do or not, and you are free to stay home. But your parochial views about what interests you do not apply to others.

Also, you're assuming an ivy team would play a Dakota in their place. Other games today are being played in Virginia, Ohio, and Washington; one of next week's semifinals will be played in Virginia and the other one might be played in Virginia, or Georgia.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: With your permission ...


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Observer
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Date Posted: 15:01:06 12/10/16 Sat

I am ready to stay home from all those places on Christmas Eve .... and you know what? I think virtually all Ivy football fans - except for yourself and a few fellow posters here - feel exactly the same way,

The number of post-season games should be REDUCED rather than increased. We only need 4 bowl games, and ZERO "playoffs" by the pathetic FCS schools.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Interesting


Author:
remember it well
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Date Posted: 15:12:03 12/10/16 Sat

So you think your Crimson alma mater is "pathetic"? Well I suppose that's something you have in common with a lot of Yalies.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ha ha ha ha


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Observer
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Date Posted: 15:28:18 12/10/16 Sat


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[> [> [> [> Subject: FCS playoffs is for benefit of the players


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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 03:15:53 12/11/16 Sun

The Dakotas have strong teams and their fans have limited entertainment options - they have no choice but to be interested regardless of who their team is playing.

There are plenty of east coast teams that could potentially make it to the playoffs that would make exciting foes for a top Ivy team any given season. Delaware, Towson, Maine, Furman, Charleston Southern, even a rematch with Lehigh. Why should the players be denied an extra game or two if the team is deserving. It's not like an Ivy program can crack the playoff bracket easily anyway.

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[> [> [> Subject: James Madison Went to the Dakotas and won


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 08:12:31 12/17/16 Sat


http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/james-madison-ends-five-time-defending-champ-north-dakota-states-fcs-reign-in-semis/

Attendance was 18,282, which is a virtual sellout.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ivies in the FCS Playoffs


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Gp
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Date Posted: 19:53:25 12/10/16 Sat

The playoffs are not for the fans. The playoffs are for the players to measure themselves. If you don't understand this, it is hard to believe that you were ever an athlete of any worth.

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[> [> [> Subject: Oh come on ....


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Observer
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Date Posted: 21:43:40 12/10/16 Sat

Who needs to "measure themself" against Northeast South Dakota State in order to prove their worth?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Oh come on ....


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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 03:28:37 12/11/16 Sun

Observer, you should take a glance at the Dakota programs. They are powerhouses. North Dakota State is so good they beat every FBS team they play. South Dakota State (the Jackrabbits) are entertaining as well. They all put up big numbers. They even get good ESPN ratings.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: But...


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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 03:31:49 12/11/16 Sun

It looks like the South Dakota Coyotes had a better season this year than the Jackrabbits.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Alas


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 09:12:08 12/11/16 Sun

Demonstrated excellence against quality opppnents has never been Big 0's concern.

Rather, the only pertinent test is whether a location is worthy of receiving his presence.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Oh come on ....


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remember it well
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Date Posted: 12:53:39 12/11/16 Sun

His other pertinent test is the convenience of getting to the bathrooms and the width of the sidelines.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Some factors outweigh others


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Observer
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Date Posted: 14:09:57 12/11/16 Sun

Most Ivy fans wouldn't book a trip to Northeast South Dakota State even IF they had better potties and sightlines that the Yale "Bowl"

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Some factors outweigh others


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remember it well
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Date Posted: 14:16:13 12/11/16 Sun

"even IF" implies you are now using Yale as the gold standard.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: You misunderstand; I assume Northeast South Dakota State may have great potties


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Observer
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Date Posted: 17:29:02 12/11/16 Sun

The point is that even IF Northeast South Dakota State has great potties and sightlines, sane Ivy fans would STILL rather settle for the depressing Yale "Bowl", with all its faults, rather than fly off to the middle of nowhere for a meaningless football game. Comprende?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Some factors outweigh others


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remember it well
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Date Posted: 17:39:12 12/11/16 Sun

Oh yes, of course, how could I have possibly missed that as your point.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivies in the FCS Playoffs


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Al's Wingman
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Date Posted: 01:50:15 12/14/16 Wed

There is nothing to be gained by a trip to the Dakotas in winter. Fans could watch it on some form of television coverage. The players however, would love the experience.

But as I have pointed out, the likelihood of playing a Dakota team in the first round would be unlikely. It would be a manageable game to get to. ...and despite the curmudgeon opinions to the contrary, a fine way for the players to wrap up the season.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ivies in the FCS Playoffs / I can't understand why...


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voy vey
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Date Posted: 09:10:25 12/14/16 Wed

...the seemingly-simple solution hasn't been instituted:

Make Ivy participation in the playoffs optional.

Each year, by a certain date, each institution must declare whether or not they would accept a playoff bid, should one be extended. One vote per school, handled as they see fit (presumably hierarchical, with players, coaches, AD and President, in ascending order, voting yay or nay).

Those who choose not to participate, don't have to. Those who would like to, can.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Breathtakingly simple, but


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 10:05:29 12/14/16 Wed

we all know why it won't be adopted. It means loss of control.

Plus Harvard could claim that this approach undermines their recruiting when players know they, alone, won't be going to any playoffs, and is contrary to the ivy agreement to have a level playing field. Now I know that is akin to arguing you cannot be penalized for your own blockheadedness, but it's not like we haven't seen this attitude before.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Breathtakingly simple, but


Author:
Eastern Sports Fan
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Date Posted: 16:37:27 12/14/16 Wed

Suspect Walter Camp and Percy Haughton would have made a deal where the loser of The Game had to go to Montana for post-season to annually fight descendants of Sitting Bull. Makes sense; Custer had a company commander named Reno.

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