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Subject: Among "Maryland's Best and Brightest"


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Observer
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Date Posted: 14:44:17 12/09/16 Fri

(This is the guy a lot of people here dumped on for reportedly running a 4.27 40:}

"Overlea wide receiver B.J. Watson personifies what student athletes aspire to be. Watson was introduced to football at the Overlea youth league and carries a 3.96 GPA and is a member of the National High School Honor Society. He was recruited by Ivy League schools including: Dartmouth, Princeton, Columbia, and Yale before ultimately signing with Harvard."

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[> Subject: One thing is for sure: he ran a faster 40 than anybody on the Ivy League Sports Board


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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 14:50:33 12/09/16 Fri


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[> [> Subject: Quoting his coach .....


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Observer
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Date Posted: 14:58:44 12/09/16 Fri

"He's really, really FAST!"

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[> [> [> Subject: And then there's 6'8" tight end Adam West .....


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Observer
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Date Posted: 15:32:19 12/09/16 Fri

I liked this catch, particularly:

http://usatodayhss.com/2016/video-this-one-handed-td-grab-will-leave-you-speechless

Of course the kid will have to get used to playing in front of smaller crowds than he performed for in Texas!

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And then there's 6'8" tight end Adam West .....


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 16:10:32 12/09/16 Fri

And at night he protects Gotham City from The Joker and Catwoman.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: And then there's 6'8" tight end Adam West .....


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 18:12:48 12/09/16 Fri


I thought he got typecast and couldn't find any work.

Good to see him get a second career in football.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Watson wasn't allowed to go out for track as a senior


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Observer
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Date Posted: 20:37:37 12/09/16 Fri

"The key to his game is speed," Davis said. "He's a speed merchant and now he's added another element. Because he got licked up last year, we held him out of indoor track for the better part of the season, so he was able to hone in and focus in the weight room. He put on almost 20 pounds -- and he got faster."

- interview with his coach in the Baltimore Sun.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: I wonder


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 21:53:16 12/09/16 Fri

"Because he got licked up last year"

as the Brits like to say "sounds almost naughty doesn't it"

I am the king of typos but Observer you need to be a little more careful LOL

btw I am still a non believer when it comes to a 4.27 40 time, sorry ole buddy just ain't happening

I wish we had him though

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Sigh


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Observer
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Date Posted: 08:06:21 12/10/16 Sat

"Licked up" must be an old Baltimore expression. You should add it to your repertoire

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sigh


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terrace72
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Date Posted: 07:57:26 12/11/16 Sun

The old Baltimore expression is "licked up, hon."

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Watson wasn't allowed to go out for track as a senior


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foehi
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Date Posted: 20:05:59 12/11/16 Sun

I personally was a slow merchant

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[> Subject: Trumpian exaggeration


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 15:31:29 12/09/16 Fri

Nobody dumped on HIM for supposedly running a 4.27. And if I remember correctly, everyone congratulated him on the opportunity he secured for himself.

People questioned the accuracy of the reported time because such stats are historically exaggerated, as demonstrated by several examples, and it doesn't seem to pass a reality check. With that time, he should be setting track records next year in college, although he never did so in high school, so far.

I hear twitter is the popular place for people to vent bruised feelings.

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[> [> Subject: I hear this site is "the popular place for snotty Yalies"


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Observer
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Date Posted: 15:39:47 12/09/16 Fri

... including the very Trumpian Calvin Hill, to do their "venting"

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[> [> Subject: Re: Trumpian exaggeration


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 16:14:59 12/09/16 Fri

Whenever anybody says that a recruit runs a 4.27, they just make themselves look naive.

There has never been an Ivy football player ever who could run a legitimate 4.27. Ever.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Trumpian exaggeration


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Anonymous
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Date Posted: 17:11:42 12/09/16 Fri

I agree with observer. A legit laser-timed 4.27 puts you in the top 1% of the NFL. More likely it's a 4.47 given that human reaction time is on average .2 seconds, but this would still place him as the fastest in the Ivy.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Trumpian exaggeration


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sparman
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Date Posted: 14:26:51 12/10/16 Sat

A 4.27 puts you as one of the two or three fastest NFL combine players, ever.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-tavon-austin-runs-a-scorching-425-40yard-dash-he-had-said-hes-the-fastest-player-in-the-draft-20130224-story.html

Will be interesting to see if he lives up to the hype here.

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[> [> Subject: faster than?


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 20:37:08 12/09/16 Fri

The Spoon Man, he was the fastest guy in the ivies in last 10 yrs maybe 20 probably the fastest since D's Craig Morton
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=129912&draftyear=2014&genpos=RB

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: faster than?


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 10:07:59 12/10/16 Sat

According to Holtsie's link, John "The Spoon Man" Spooney, one of the fastest in Ivy history, ran his pro day 40s in a range of 4.49-4.50.

Thus one can see how any poster saying any Ivy high school recruit runs a 4.27 just makes that poster seem naive.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Timed at 4.28 and 4.27 by NFL staff at the Blue-Gray game


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Observer
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Date Posted: 13:50:26 12/10/16 Sat

Maybe they are, as you suggest, just "naive". All this poster did was to "naively" link their post.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: See also:


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Observer
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Date Posted: 13:57:46 12/10/16 Sat

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/sports/ph-tt-watson-0906-story.html

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Sub 4.3 40's are increasingly common for college players at least


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Observer
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Date Posted: 14:20:34 12/10/16 Sat


The Official Unofficial Sub 4.3 Forty Yard Dash List at Gridironstuds.com

1 Bo Jackson Auburn Tigers 4.12
2 Michael Bennett Minnesota Vikings 4.13
3 Alexander Wright Dallas Cowboys 4.14
4 Darrell Green Washington Redskins 4.15
5 Ahman Green Nebraska Cornhuskers 4.17
6 Joey Galloway Ohio St. Buckeyes 4.18
7 Terrell Sinkfield Northern Iowa 4.19
8 Henry Neal Blinn JC 4.2
9 Onterio McCalebb Auburn Tigers 4.21
10 Deion Sanders F. St. Seminoles 4.21
11 Kevin Curtis Utah St. Aggies 4.21
12 Don Beebe Buffalo Bills 4.21
13 Breshad Perriman Central Florida 4.22
13 Donte Stallworth Tenn Volunteers 4.22
14 Willie Parker N Carolina Tar Heels 4.23
15 Clayton Holmes Dallas Cowboys 4.23
16 Rondel Melendez E Kentucky (1999) 4.24
17 Chris Johnson ECarolina Pirates 4.24
18 Taylor Mays USC 4.24
19 Phillip Dorsett University of Miami 4.25
19 Marquis Goodwin Texas Longhorns 4.25
20 Tavon Austin West Virginia 4.25
21 Steve Williams California 4.25
22 Ike Taylor Pittsburgh Steelers 4.25
23 Randy Moss Marshall University 4.25
24 Michael Vick Virginia Tech Hokies 4.25
25 Jerome Mathis Hampton 4.25
26 Sam Shields U of Miami (Packers) 4.25
27 Dri Archer Kent St. 4.26
28 Devin Hester University of Miami 4.27
29 Darren McFadden Ark Razorbacks 4.27
30 James Jett West Virginia 4.27
31 Jacoby Ford Clemson Tigers 4.27
32 Trindon Holliday LSU 4.27
33 DeMarcus Van Dyke U of Miami 4.28
34 Kevin Williams U of Miami 4.28
35 Champ Bailey Georgia Bulldogs 4.28
36 CJ Spiller Clemson Tigers 4.28
37 Raghib Ismail Notre Dame 4.28
38 Walter Sutton SW Minnesota St. 4.28
39 Rod Woodson Purdue Boilermakers 4.28
40 JJ Nelson UAB 4.28
41 Jonathan Joseph Auburn 4.28 added 3/5/16
42 Standord Routt Houston (2005) 4.29
43 Fabian Washington Nebraska 4.29
44 Laveranues Coles F. Seminoles 4.29
45 James Williams Fresno St. 4.29
46 Gaston Green UCLA 4.29
47 Johnny Knox Ab Christian ( Bears) 4.29
48 Keith Marshall Georgia 4.29 added 2016

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sub 4.3 40's are increasingly common for college players at least


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 01:17:55 12/11/16 Sun

You continue to embarrass yourself. That list you posted of 48 players who ran sub-4.3 is comprised almost entirely of players who were *HAND TIMED*. If you confined the list to guys who were electronically timed at sub-4.3, that list would decrease in size by at least three-quarters.

I was hand timed by my coach at 4.6. And yet, almost inexplicably, no pro scouts ever took a look at me. Hmmm, how about that?

Hand timed results in high school mostly show how supportive your coach is of your recruiting efforts. Your coach *WANTS* you to do well so, consciously or subconsciously, his thumb follows what his brain hopes will happen. That's human nature, not blazing speed.

I said it before and, indeed, your post proves my point. No Ivy League player ever has run 4.27. Ever.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Except for one soon to be an ivy player - at least


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Observer
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Date Posted: 19:23:04 12/11/16 Sun

Not "hand-timed, either. And the time didn't come from "his coach"

You continue to embarrass yourself.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Except for one soon to be an ivy player - at least


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 21:15:45 12/11/16 Sun

Of course it was hand-timed. If he ran an electronically timed 4.27, he would have the third fastest time in NFL history, behind Chris Johnson in 2008 (4.24) and Dri Archer in 2014 (4.26). I think that was reviewed the first time you claimed that a legitimate 4.27 recruit was headed to Harvard.

if you want to purport that the third fastest player in the history of the NFL combine is about to enroll at a college outside the national top 25, let alone outside the Power 5 conferences, let alone outside the FBS, let alone outside an FCS powerhouse, let alone an Ivy League school, that is your prerogative but, again, you continue to embarrass yourself.

If you're going to make those kind of claims, why not claim that Tommy Amaker is working for free, you know, as a humanitarian gesture on behalf of furthering Harvard basketball?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Wow!


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Observer
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Date Posted: 22:19:44 12/11/16 Sun

Stubborn and angry, aren't you!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Too bad


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 15:27:52 12/10/16 Sat

he like Princeton's commit Logan Montgomery made the wrong choice in picking an Ivy league school

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Have you thought that -


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Observer
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Date Posted: 15:33:10 12/10/16 Sat

- maybe their top priority is a good education?

Being a punt returner in the NFL will most likely earn you a series of concussions.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: exactly why


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 15:45:12 12/10/16 Sat

he choose the wrong school

or as they say in the capital city of Qatar
Dohahahahaha

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: faster than?


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Sr Punter
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Date Posted: 20:03:24 12/11/16 Sun

I was hand-times at 7.24 in HS.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: faster than?


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sparman
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Date Posted: 21:42:11 12/11/16 Sun

I was timed by calendar. But it was a really fast calendar.

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[> Subject: Re: Among "Maryland's Best and Brightest"


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Ivy Patriot
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Date Posted: 07:48:23 12/12/16 Mon

You would think someone who runs a 4.3-anything, let alone a sub-4.3 is going to have a very impressive list of big-time offers. I'm not disputing he's fast, but the only offers listed by 247Sports are by Ivy League schools.

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[> [> Subject: Has it occurred to you ...


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Observer
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Date Posted: 08:35:36 12/12/16 Mon

Its one thing to be fast. Then you have to have size and football skills in adequate measure..

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[> [> [> Subject: So you're saying


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:44:03 12/12/16 Mon


That this guy can't play?

That's an odd thing to say about your own recruits.

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[> [> [> Subject: Also...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:45:25 12/12/16 Mon


How many offers from D-III schools did he have?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Also...


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remember it well
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Date Posted: 09:55:19 12/12/16 Mon

Don't forget he has called the FCS schools"pathetic"so perhaps there is some consistency in the way he views the recruits at those schools - even his own.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Has it occurred to you ...


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 10:18:50 12/12/16 Mon

One could ask why he didn't pursue/wasn't offered a track scholarship at a big time track college, given that he's apparently so ill suited to college football.

Dri Archer (5'8", 175) received only one football scholarship (Kent State) but several major track offers. Then again, he was a legitimate 4.26 and finished second in the highly competitive Florida high school track championship.

The real risk is that a small and frail player will be injured most of his college career, regardless of what speed he runs on the rare healthy occasions. I hope he attends to his studies.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Do you dump on the NFL combine electronic timing, too?


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Observer
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Date Posted: 16:40:56 12/12/16 Mon

Records at the NFL Scouting Combine

This is a list of the official 40-yard dash results of 4.30 seconds or better recorded at the NFL Scouting combine since 1999, the first year electronic timing was implemented at the NFL Scouting Combine.[11][12]

Time Name Height Weight Position College Year Draft
4.24 Rondel Menendez 5 ft 9 in (175 cm) 192 lb (87 kg) Wide receiver Eastern Kentucky 1999 #247 overall by Atlanta Falcons

4.24 Chris Johnson 5 ft 11 in (180 cm) 192 lb (87 kg) Running back East Carolina 2008 #24 overall by Tennessee Titans

4.26 Jerome Mathis 5 ft 11 in (180 cm) 184 lb (83 kg) Wide receiver Hampton 2005 #114 overall by Houston Texans

4.26 Dri Archer 5 ft 8 in (173 cm) 173 lb (78 kg) Running back Kent State 2014 #97 overall by Pittsburgh Steelers

4.27 Stanford Routt 6 ft 2 in (188 cm) 193 lb (88 kg) Cornerback Houston 2005 #38 overall by Oakland Raiders

4.27 Marquise Goodwin 5 ft 10 in (178 cm) 181 lb (82 kg) Wide receiver Texas 2013 #78 overall by Buffalo Bills

4.28 Champ Bailey 6 ft 0 in (183 cm) 192 lb (87 kg) Cornerback Georgia 1999 #7 overall by Washington Redskins

4.28 Jacoby Ford 5 ft 9 in (175 cm) 190 lb (86 kg) Wide receiver Clemson 2010 #108 overall by Oakland Raiders

4.28[13] J. J. Nelson 5 ft 10 in (178 cm) 156 lb (71 kg) Wide receiver UAB 2015 #159 overall by Arizona Cardinals

4.28 DeMarcus Van Dyke 6 ft 1 in (185 cm) 187 lb (85 kg) Cornerback Miami 2011 #81 overall by Oakland Raiders

4.29 Fabian Washington 5 ft 11 in (180 cm) 188 lb (85 kg) Cornerback Nebraska 2005 #23 overall by Oakland Raiders

4.29 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 6 ft 2 in (188 cm) 184 lb (83 kg) Cornerback Tennessee State 2008 #16 overall by the Arizona Cardinals

4.29 Josh Robinson 5 ft 10 in (178 cm) 199 lb (90 kg) Cornerback UCF 2012 #66 overall by Minnesota Vikings

4.30 Darrent Williams 5 ft 9 in (175 cm) 176 lb (80 kg) Cornerback Oklahoma State 2005 #56 overall by Denver Broncos

4.30 Tye Hill 5 ft 10 in (178 cm) 185 lb (84 kg) Cornerback Clemson 2006 #15 overall by St. Louis Rams

4.30 Yamon Figurs 5 ft 11 in (180 cm) 174 lb (79 kg) Wide receiver Kansas State 2007 #74 overall by Baltimore Ravens

4.30 Darrius Heyward-Bey[14] 6 ft 2 in (188 cm) 210 lb (95 kg) Wide receiver Maryland 2009 #7 overall by Oakland Raiders

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Do you dump on the NFL combine electronic timing, too?


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Diogenes (Observer)
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Date Posted: 18:16:19 12/12/16 Mon

Thanks for that list. Looks like roughly 17 people in 17 years at 4.30 or less. Wonder what they could run near the end of their careers?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Has it occurred to you ...


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Ivy Patriot
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Date Posted: 09:46:28 12/13/16 Tue

If you are sub 4.3 you are going to be recruited if you know how many points a touchdown is worth. It's like being 7 foot 2 in basketball. If you can run from one baseline to another you are going to be recruited. When no big schools are recruiting a sub 4.3 there's something amiss.

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[> Subject: And not on the Baltimore All-Metro team


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 10:23:44 12/16/16 Fri

Either first or second team:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/all-metro/bs-va-sp-football-offense-first-2016-20161214-story.html

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[> [> Subject: Re: And not on the Baltimore All-Metro team


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Date Posted: 10:55:03 12/16/16 Fri

And one of the Penn commits I mentioned as being a comparable recruit to Ezrah Archie in another thread did make the 2nd team behind two underclassmen who seem ticketed for FBS scholies.

The Penn commit had numerous Ivy level FCS offers - the same as Archie currently has.

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