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Subject: Trumpian exaggeration


Author:
Calvin
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Date Posted: 15:31:29 12/09/16 Fri
In reply to: Observer 's message, "Among "Maryland's Best and Brightest"" on 14:44:17 12/09/16 Fri

Nobody dumped on HIM for supposedly running a 4.27. And if I remember correctly, everyone congratulated him on the opportunity he secured for himself.

People questioned the accuracy of the reported time because such stats are historically exaggerated, as demonstrated by several examples, and it doesn't seem to pass a reality check. With that time, he should be setting track records next year in college, although he never did so in high school, so far.

I hear twitter is the popular place for people to vent bruised feelings.

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[> [> Subject: I hear this site is "the popular place for snotty Yalies"


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 15:39:47 12/09/16 Fri

... including the very Trumpian Calvin Hill, to do their "venting"

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[> [> Subject: Re: Trumpian exaggeration


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 16:14:59 12/09/16 Fri

Whenever anybody says that a recruit runs a 4.27, they just make themselves look naive.

There has never been an Ivy football player ever who could run a legitimate 4.27. Ever.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Trumpian exaggeration


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Anonymous
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Date Posted: 17:11:42 12/09/16 Fri

I agree with observer. A legit laser-timed 4.27 puts you in the top 1% of the NFL. More likely it's a 4.47 given that human reaction time is on average .2 seconds, but this would still place him as the fastest in the Ivy.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Trumpian exaggeration


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sparman
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Date Posted: 14:26:51 12/10/16 Sat

A 4.27 puts you as one of the two or three fastest NFL combine players, ever.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-tavon-austin-runs-a-scorching-425-40yard-dash-he-had-said-hes-the-fastest-player-in-the-draft-20130224-story.html

Will be interesting to see if he lives up to the hype here.

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[> [> Subject: faster than?


Author:
holtsledge
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Date Posted: 20:37:08 12/09/16 Fri

The Spoon Man, he was the fastest guy in the ivies in last 10 yrs maybe 20 probably the fastest since D's Craig Morton
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=129912&draftyear=2014&genpos=RB

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: faster than?


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 10:07:59 12/10/16 Sat

According to Holtsie's link, John "The Spoon Man" Spooney, one of the fastest in Ivy history, ran his pro day 40s in a range of 4.49-4.50.

Thus one can see how any poster saying any Ivy high school recruit runs a 4.27 just makes that poster seem naive.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Timed at 4.28 and 4.27 by NFL staff at the Blue-Gray game


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Observer
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Date Posted: 13:50:26 12/10/16 Sat

Maybe they are, as you suggest, just "naive". All this poster did was to "naively" link their post.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: See also:


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 13:57:46 12/10/16 Sat

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-county/sports/ph-tt-watson-0906-story.html

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Sub 4.3 40's are increasingly common for college players at least


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 14:20:34 12/10/16 Sat


The Official Unofficial Sub 4.3 Forty Yard Dash List at Gridironstuds.com

1 Bo Jackson Auburn Tigers 4.12
2 Michael Bennett Minnesota Vikings 4.13
3 Alexander Wright Dallas Cowboys 4.14
4 Darrell Green Washington Redskins 4.15
5 Ahman Green Nebraska Cornhuskers 4.17
6 Joey Galloway Ohio St. Buckeyes 4.18
7 Terrell Sinkfield Northern Iowa 4.19
8 Henry Neal Blinn JC 4.2
9 Onterio McCalebb Auburn Tigers 4.21
10 Deion Sanders F. St. Seminoles 4.21
11 Kevin Curtis Utah St. Aggies 4.21
12 Don Beebe Buffalo Bills 4.21
13 Breshad Perriman Central Florida 4.22
13 Donte Stallworth Tenn Volunteers 4.22
14 Willie Parker N Carolina Tar Heels 4.23
15 Clayton Holmes Dallas Cowboys 4.23
16 Rondel Melendez E Kentucky (1999) 4.24
17 Chris Johnson ECarolina Pirates 4.24
18 Taylor Mays USC 4.24
19 Phillip Dorsett University of Miami 4.25
19 Marquis Goodwin Texas Longhorns 4.25
20 Tavon Austin West Virginia 4.25
21 Steve Williams California 4.25
22 Ike Taylor Pittsburgh Steelers 4.25
23 Randy Moss Marshall University 4.25
24 Michael Vick Virginia Tech Hokies 4.25
25 Jerome Mathis Hampton 4.25
26 Sam Shields U of Miami (Packers) 4.25
27 Dri Archer Kent St. 4.26
28 Devin Hester University of Miami 4.27
29 Darren McFadden Ark Razorbacks 4.27
30 James Jett West Virginia 4.27
31 Jacoby Ford Clemson Tigers 4.27
32 Trindon Holliday LSU 4.27
33 DeMarcus Van Dyke U of Miami 4.28
34 Kevin Williams U of Miami 4.28
35 Champ Bailey Georgia Bulldogs 4.28
36 CJ Spiller Clemson Tigers 4.28
37 Raghib Ismail Notre Dame 4.28
38 Walter Sutton SW Minnesota St. 4.28
39 Rod Woodson Purdue Boilermakers 4.28
40 JJ Nelson UAB 4.28
41 Jonathan Joseph Auburn 4.28 added 3/5/16
42 Standord Routt Houston (2005) 4.29
43 Fabian Washington Nebraska 4.29
44 Laveranues Coles F. Seminoles 4.29
45 James Williams Fresno St. 4.29
46 Gaston Green UCLA 4.29
47 Johnny Knox Ab Christian ( Bears) 4.29
48 Keith Marshall Georgia 4.29 added 2016

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sub 4.3 40's are increasingly common for college players at least


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 01:17:55 12/11/16 Sun

You continue to embarrass yourself. That list you posted of 48 players who ran sub-4.3 is comprised almost entirely of players who were *HAND TIMED*. If you confined the list to guys who were electronically timed at sub-4.3, that list would decrease in size by at least three-quarters.

I was hand timed by my coach at 4.6. And yet, almost inexplicably, no pro scouts ever took a look at me. Hmmm, how about that?

Hand timed results in high school mostly show how supportive your coach is of your recruiting efforts. Your coach *WANTS* you to do well so, consciously or subconsciously, his thumb follows what his brain hopes will happen. That's human nature, not blazing speed.

I said it before and, indeed, your post proves my point. No Ivy League player ever has run 4.27. Ever.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Except for one soon to be an ivy player - at least


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 19:23:04 12/11/16 Sun

Not "hand-timed, either. And the time didn't come from "his coach"

You continue to embarrass yourself.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Except for one soon to be an ivy player - at least


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 21:15:45 12/11/16 Sun

Of course it was hand-timed. If he ran an electronically timed 4.27, he would have the third fastest time in NFL history, behind Chris Johnson in 2008 (4.24) and Dri Archer in 2014 (4.26). I think that was reviewed the first time you claimed that a legitimate 4.27 recruit was headed to Harvard.

if you want to purport that the third fastest player in the history of the NFL combine is about to enroll at a college outside the national top 25, let alone outside the Power 5 conferences, let alone outside the FBS, let alone outside an FCS powerhouse, let alone an Ivy League school, that is your prerogative but, again, you continue to embarrass yourself.

If you're going to make those kind of claims, why not claim that Tommy Amaker is working for free, you know, as a humanitarian gesture on behalf of furthering Harvard basketball?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Wow!


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 22:19:44 12/11/16 Sun

Stubborn and angry, aren't you!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Too bad


Author:
holtsledge
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Date Posted: 15:27:52 12/10/16 Sat

he like Princeton's commit Logan Montgomery made the wrong choice in picking an Ivy league school

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Have you thought that -


Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 15:33:10 12/10/16 Sat

- maybe their top priority is a good education?

Being a punt returner in the NFL will most likely earn you a series of concussions.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: exactly why


Author:
holtsledge
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Date Posted: 15:45:12 12/10/16 Sat

he choose the wrong school

or as they say in the capital city of Qatar
Dohahahahaha

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: faster than?


Author:
Sr Punter
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Date Posted: 20:03:24 12/11/16 Sun

I was hand-times at 7.24 in HS.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: faster than?


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sparman
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Date Posted: 21:42:11 12/11/16 Sun

I was timed by calendar. But it was a really fast calendar.

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