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Subject: Congratulations Army


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 18:38:40 12/10/16 Sat

What a bizarre year. Trump elected president, Cubs win World Series, Yale beats Harvard and now Army beats Navy!

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[> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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holtsledge
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Date Posted: 21:40:23 12/10/16 Sat

It's the new world order, and about time or as my Austro Hungarian mother in law likes to say "Thanks God" and she is 92 and lived thru the worst of WW2

I am tempted to go on a rant but for once in my life I will let it go, with the holiday season close at hand I wish everyone a good night

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[> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Observer
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Date Posted: 21:46:05 12/10/16 Sat

Their losing streak was even longer than Yale's. Did they save the coach's job too?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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sparman
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Date Posted: 21:56:46 12/10/16 Sat

Their coach was in no danger, Army was already going to a bowl.

If there ever was a year Army had a chance to win, this was it. Even using ther fourth atring QB who played a terrible first half, Navy still came close to winning.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Eastern Sports Fan
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Date Posted: 10:54:21 12/11/16 Sun




Although it's no longer true, there was a time when Eastern football---current Ivy teams, Army and Navy, Penn State, Syracuse, Pitt et al ruled the world. Nice to have Army-Navy and periodic Ivy classics remind us of how it once was.

Comments below lifted from ESPN (names omitted)...


Frederick Works at Retired

This is real college football as it was intended. These players are real student athletes as the sport was envisioned to be.



Ken

True, I will catch a few Ivy League games each year for the same reason

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Works at Self-Employed

yes but lousy football


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Library Director at Aitkin Memorial District Library

Pete ; what made it lousy? There were a few turnovers, but basically no penalties and plenty of excitement and energy, plus great tackling

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

Well put Zoller -- I love the wide open passing game but dang, I thought this game was great and college football in its purest form.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 11:53:49 12/11/16 Sun

I felt the same way when I watched the Yale-Army game. It's college football the way it was supposed to be. I hope Yale will play Army again someday in my lifetime.

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[> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 23:24:16 12/10/16 Sat

There was a stirring purity about the game.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 09:20:22 12/11/16 Sun

Not accordimg to the Orangehead, who managed to criticize the level of play: "I don't know if it's necessarily the best football."

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 10:27:41 12/11/16 Sun

We shouldn't be surprised that Trump would say something offensive to all the people watching and enjoying the game by criticizing the caliber of play of the service academies. It's not like he's never said offensive things before. He he no ability to censor himself.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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joiseyfan
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Date Posted: 12:21:01 12/11/16 Sun

Certainly a lot better than the Cleveland Browns.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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foehi
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Date Posted: 20:09:26 12/11/16 Sun

read the Saturday NYT about the military academies "prep schools" and it ain't all that pure.

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[> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Light Blue Forever
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Date Posted: 10:22:20 12/11/16 Sun

Calvin, your unsult aside, the President-elect said what we all know: It's not the SEC that's usually carried by CBS, but it's the most competitive and played by future heroes.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Diogenes
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Date Posted: 11:09:48 12/11/16 Sun

The truth is not an insult. It was compelling football and, thus far, the best game of the year.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Son of Eli
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Date Posted: 11:55:52 12/11/16 Sun

Just because something is true doesn't make it polite to say it. That was the wrong time and place for Trump to question the quality of play of the service academies.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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foehi
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Date Posted: 22:34:40 12/11/16 Sun

Trump is an asshole. What do you expect?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Diogenes (Foehi)
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Date Posted: 00:51:35 12/12/16 Mon

To answer your question: the truth. And the truth is: that while Trump may be an ass...., he's our ass.... Praise the Lord, snap the ball and pass the ammunition.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 12:01:42 12/11/16 Sun

We know it's not the SEC, but his shade was totally gratuitous and unjustified. Navy was a ranked team this year and both squads probably have some NFL level, or nearly so, players. He has no business denigrating players who not only play at a level he could never attain, but who also do so while electing the rigors of an academy life instead of a cushier football centric school, rather than, like he did, avoiding service through a patently bogus excuse (not unusual for his generation, but nevertheless weaselly and giving him no basis to judge).

Without going into detail, I have some knowledge of how he treated his kids with the same conditional approval. As said by others above, it's what he is.

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[> [> Subject: We have Choate Navy has Naval Academy Prep (NAPS).


Author:
remember it well
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Date Posted: 12:43:32 12/11/16 Sun

Though unlike NAPS, Choate doesn't pay its players $1000 a month stipend.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/sports/ncaafootball/navy-midshipmen-army-football.html?_r=0

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[> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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sparman
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Date Posted: 08:09:03 12/13/16 Tue

Depends on what you mean by "SEC football." For example South Carolina (3-5 in league) defeated ECU by 5 points and barely beat UMass. Navy defeated ECU, on their field, by 35 scoring an SEC-like 66 points, and they defeated a then-top 10 team (Houston).

I have no doubt that with their starting QB they would have gone .500 or better in the SEC playing Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Mississippi, and others.

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[> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Floridared
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Date Posted: 11:14:35 12/12/16 Mon

Glad to see Army break their losing streak.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Congratulations Army


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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 11:25:36 12/12/16 Mon

Fourteen game Navy streak equaled the length of Yale's streak over Princeton, 1967-1980, the latter alleged by some of our posters to be a reason for the devaluation of the once-great Y-P rivalry. Army-Navy seems a more resilient series than Y-P, more akin to the H-Y series, where 8 losses in a row did not substantially depress either Yale ardor or attendance stats for The Games.

My own view is that Princeton has rebuilt to such a level that, if Bulldogs can get their act together, the Y-P series will revive. Our posters will have an interesting hot stove league discussion about whether November 19 result in Cambridge was just a flash in the pan, and fundamental problems still exist in Yale program needing address by the AD, and perhaps the university president....

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[> [> [> Subject: Yale-Princeton


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bulldog10jw
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Date Posted: 17:10:13 12/12/16 Mon

The funny thing is, before Yale's 14 straight, Princeton had won 6 straight and probably, taking an educated guess as I try to think back, 15 out of 20.

From the Yale point of view, that made Princeton the team to beat, even more than Harvard at that time.

Some particularly bitter losses like '64 with Iacavazzi tossing the ball into the stands after scoring (and Mercein getting hurt), and '66 when Yale lost on a blocked punt run back for a TD late in the game, seemed to actually enhance the rivalry.

There are not enough of us left who remember what it was like back then.

What really hurt the Yale-Princeton rivalry, in my opinion, was Yale-Harvard '68

That game forever, or at least until now, cemented Harvard as THE rival going forward.

The 14 straight Yale wins against Princeton, in front of progressively dwindling crowds in the middle to late '70's, certainly didn't help spark a revival of a once great series.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yale-Princeton


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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 22:12:06 12/12/16 Mon

Agree with Bulldog that 29-29 game took a lot of the air out of Y-P rivalry--that game provoked an all out Yale effort to beat H. Interesting that, up until 1970 or so, Princeton on the field performance was considerably better than Harvard's, and that added to the intensity of the Yale effort to fight against what was considerable Tiger dominance of the Bulldog in the 25 years after WW II. During that stretch, P had two 6 game streaks over Y, not just the referenced '61-66 streak, but also a half dozen losses inflicted on Yale from '47-'52. It got so bad that Yale's unique winning record head to head against all Ivy competitors was seriously threatened by the succession of Tiger powerhouses led by Kazmier, Flippin, Cosmo and Landeck. By end of '66 season, the Y-P ledger was getting close to even Stephen, with Yale ahead by only 43-39. Eli all-time advantage over Tigers now comfortable. Had Crimson beaten Bulldogs this November, Yale edge over Harvard would have been cut to 65-60, way too close for comfort. Even with upset this year, Yale all time 66-59 record vs H is no cause for complacency.

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An Observer
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Date Posted: 22:33:26 12/12/16 Mon

Great summary.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yale-Princeton


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voy vey
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Date Posted: 08:59:39 12/13/16 Tue

Another damper on the Yale-Princeton rivalry in recent times is the fact that the two programs are rarely both good at the same time.
Over the past 20 years, there's probably been about three seasons where both were above-average. You have to go back to 2006 for a season where both were serious title contenders. And that game drew a healthy crowd, and some old-fashioned animosity between the teams and student bodies.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yale-Princeton


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Memphis Bill
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Date Posted: 09:10:29 12/13/16 Tue

Agree with vv that Y-P is a natural rivalry, that during some decades had more meaning to Yale than the contest with the school up north. Let's hope that Yale can find a way to get on the same (winning) page with its younger brother to the South, and that we can see some of that old fashioned vitriol flow on the gridiron!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yale-Princeton a once great rivalry


Author:
remember it well
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Date Posted: 10:00:28 12/13/16 Tue

Some wonderful memories of YP games at the Bowl and at Palmer when the stands were full and there were All-American players on the field. Even the freshmen games were well attended. The rivalry was intense between the teams and very spirited between Bulldog students and the Tiger students - a good number were friends and former classmates from boarding school. Legacy students were a significant number in those days and their friendly rivalry was practically in bred and the popularity of the YP game was passed through to younger generations.
It would be terrific to see some of that enthusiasm for this game regenerated so I quite agree with VV and MP; but with today's students hardly attending any games I am doubtful it will change very much even as both teams try to improve their level of success.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yale-Princeton a once great rivalry


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bulldog10jw
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Date Posted: 17:07:39 12/14/16 Wed

I really miss freshman games. Too bad they outlived their usefulness.

The Yale-Princeton freshman game was always on Saturday morning so you could watch the freshmen play, then head over to either the Bowl or Palmer for the varsity.

The Y-H freshman game was always on Friday the day before. Always a day off from work for me.

I'll never forget the Yale-Harvard freshman game in '87 being played in almost early season like warmth. Overnight, in came the cold weather and the '87 varsity game became the "Ice Bowl"

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yale-Princeton a once great rivalry


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remember it well
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Date Posted: 17:45:38 12/14/16 Wed

Those YP freshman games followed by varsity games were double the enjoyment of a great rivalry. Like watching a football doubleheader.
Was wearing polar wear for the 87 Game and it still wasn't enough. You're right the day before was balmy.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yale-Princeton


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Calvin
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Date Posted: 09:55:47 12/13/16 Tue

Good summary, the 1967 game breaking that 6 game streak was certainly emotional.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yale-Princeton


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Ricks
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Date Posted: 10:09:54 12/13/16 Tue

As I've said ad nauseum, my first game at the Bowl as a youngster was the 1939 loss to the Tigers. That dratted 29-29 affair has permanently etched the Johnnies in my mind as the arch enemy, with the Green not far behind. Isn't it great to have such history to fall back on ?

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old blue
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Date Posted: 12:00:47 12/13/16 Tue

gentlemen; interestingly i too was present at the bowl for the 1939 tiger clash as well as our victories that year over army and the cantabs at the horseshoe.the only real pounding that year was provided by the maze and blue to our squad.i still remember mr cozza bone head decision not to run mr diana on a fourth and two at the tiger 32 which would have salted away a victory at palmer stadium in 1981 and an undefeated season.

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