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Subject: Two new Columbia commits


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ungvar
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Date Posted: 21:33:01 12/12/16 Mon

Jalen Allen RB OLB 5'11" 185lbs Cranbrook Kingswood, Bloomfield Hills, MI
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/3593028/5721c0bb0dcb0d12f860fb84

Myles Davis WR, RB, FS 5'11" 175lbs Payton College Prep Chicago, IL
http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/illinois/chicago/walter-payton-college-prep-high-school/myles-davis11


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1. Luke Adams LB RB 6'2" 210lbs Notre Dame Prep, Pontiac, MI
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2640774/luke-adams

2. Jalen Allen RB OLB 5'11" 185lbs Cranbrook Kingswood, Bloomfield Hills, MI
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/3593028/5721c0bb0dcb0d12f860fb84

3. Josh Bean QB 6'2" 200lbs Hinsdale Central, Hinsdale, IL
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4434893/josh-bean

4. Seth DeVary T DT 6'4" 275lbs Larue County, Hodgenville, KY
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2765576/highlights/315437377

5. Myles Davis WR, RB, FS 5'11" 175lbs Payton College Prep Chicago, IL
http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/illinois/chicago/walter-payton-college-prep-high-school/myles-davis11

6. Alexander Filacouris RB 6'1" 200lbs Half Hollow Hills, Dix Hills, NY
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3929025/alexander-filacouris

7. Graham Flinn FS WR 6"1" 180lbs Benedictine, Richmond, VA
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2824936/graham-flinn

8. Tyson Hugee CB WR 6'0" 170lbs Springside Chestnut, Philadelphia, PA
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/4265221/5721cc910428ae20e4c7dbd2

9. Emerson Kabus WR 5'10" 170lbs St. Augustine, St. Augustine, FL
http://www.hudl.com/profile/5640627/emerson-kabus

10. Josh Kaminski DT T 6'4" 280lbs Seton Hall Prep, West Orange, NJ
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3991939/josh-kaminski

11. Cameron Lipton-Martinez TE DE 6'5" 225lbs Montclair High, Montclair, NJ
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/3625128/5721ddc2bd746d007c8020c3

12. Ben Mathiasmeier SS FS 5'10" 190lbs Cinco Ranch, Katy, TX
http://wwww.hudl.com/v/QHJEx

13. Jake McCurry WR SS 6'0" 180lbs Solon High, Solon, OH
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4021584/jake-mccurry

14. Carson Powell SS 6'0" 190lbs Cardinal Newman, West Palm Beach, FL
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2912499/carson-powell

15. Bailey Rotsky DB WR 6'0" 176lbs Mayfield High, Mayfield, OH
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2807341/bailey-rotsky

16. Jon Rowe G C 6'3" 283lbs Ardrey Kell, Charlotte, NC
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2866772/jon-rowe

17. Drew Schmid P K 6'0" 205lbs La Jolla Country Day, La Jolla, CA
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2701188/drew-schmid

18. Hank White T TE 6'6" 250lbs Buford High, Buford, GA
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3902511/hank-white

19. Ashton Cooper Wilson DE OLB 6'3" 230lbs Merritt Island High, Merritt Island, FL
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3775144/ashton-wilson

20. Peter Wise OT 6'5" 290lbs Brunswick School, Greenwich, CT
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4051592/peter-wise

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[> Subject: Better video link for Davis


Author:
ungvar
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Date Posted: 22:42:12 12/12/16 Mon

http://www.hudl.com/video/3/5317842/5721deb164e96b63802b8f98

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[> Subject: Class mix so far


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ungvar
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Date Posted: 09:08:11 12/13/16 Tue

Seems like a solid class so far. Wish we were seeing a few more LBs in the mix. Nice group of RBs, some good road-grader OLs and plenty of defensive secondary guys.

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[> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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The Mountain Lion
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Date Posted: 12:30:07 12/13/16 Tue

Two very fast players who can score from anywhere on the field. Allen will probably play running back and Davis wide receiver, but for recruiting purposes you may wish to classify them both as "athletes," because they certainly fit into that category very well.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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Tod Howard Hawks
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Date Posted: 17:05:01 12/13/16 Tue

Good work, Ungvar!

Tod Howard Hawks CC 66

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[> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


Author:
Old Lion (LBs)
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Date Posted: 10:26:42 12/14/16 Wed

Re comment on shortage of incoming LBs, I understand that Luke Adams is somebody who can make an immediate impact. The current first year class also is very strong at LB and at hybrid LB/SS. Williams and Murphy among others saw a good deal of action this year but obviously the majority of the snaps went to the three seniors, and it was going to be tough to get Rea, Brady and Conway, all of whom had great senior years, off the field.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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spainy
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Date Posted: 15:18:18 12/28/16 Wed

guess someone deleted my prior message. Plenty of LB's currently on roster, with some very strong freshman in the wings. Looks like folks not looking at films on these new kids. Cooper a good straight-ahead guy so ideal for DE and is already borderline size for LB. BTW, how many kids in 2017 class are ranked?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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LionFan
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Date Posted: 17:22:49 12/28/16 Wed

Rankings for players below the elite power 5 HS kids is really the most inaccurate waste of time. The Ivy League has been full of highly touted kids never playing and never heard of kids becoming stars.

From an source close to the program this class is significantly stronger then last years and everyone is very excited about the talent taking another step forward.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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spainy
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Date Posted: 18:29:36 12/28/16 Wed

Thanx much for response. Can I ask if that source is a not-to-be named CU coach or is it someone else supposedly close to the program? Forgive me for asking but have seen some of this stuff on other posts and often it's a dad or alumni who's opinion is great but maybe not meaningful or accurate.

Can't say I agree with assessment on rankings but value the opine. Most of the kids starting or playing a lot as frosh around the league this year were ranked kids and think this was also true for CU. Also have found that most fans have no clue how rankings work or what they actually measure so opinions understandingly vary. Good topic for another discussion thread but I'd rather avoid right now. So, in this spirit a better question may be how many of these kids had key offers from other Ivy's or real FBS offers?

Statement about this class being better doesn't quite jive with films and publicly known ranking or offer information, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. But to buy into this class is better (at this point) assumes CU found significantly more "diamonds-in-the-rough" than most other schools in this round, or there's information not yet public on MOST of these kids. Not really a high probability but nice to hear from a reputable source if it is the case.

Having said all this, a couple of late "gets" do look like good additions that will plug some 2016 holes, and although the overall class doesn't seem to come close to matching size/depth/quality of 2016 it doesn't have to match to be a huge win. So the final question is, according to your source who are the standouts.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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LionFan
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Date Posted: 20:28:18 12/28/16 Wed

Rankings are created by formulas generated from inputing measurables and recruiting interest/offer. Both things easily exaggerated by overly ambitious coaches or more then likely fathers. Distorted Ht, 40yd dash or overstated "offers" from a BCS school will create a rating that does not accurately reflect the caliber of player. Many fathers get very involved and political about these rankings thinking they are the key to sons getting opportunities they deserve or don't quite deserve. With highly ranked players the criteria is much more apparent and easy to validate. The bottom of the barrel is much larger and easily distorted.

the source is close to someone on the team. The word is staff is very excited about this class and its quality top to bottom. No specifics but supposedly one of the December visits was loaded with "difference maker" athletes

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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spainy
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Date Posted: 20:49:22 12/28/16 Wed

Thanx much for you info and insight. At the end of the day, the only thing that much matters is how the kids plays when they get to the next level. Everything falls into the educated guess till then so it all has to be take with grain-of-salt.

There's been some worry about the LB position in these posts. What the scoop on all the talent on roster. Looks like there are plenty of kids returning. Been a bit more worried about DB and RB positions so what's scoop there?

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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LionFan
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Date Posted: 21:00:34 12/28/16 Wed

Columbia's class of 2016 will prove to be outstanding. We all hope that rumors are close to true and that this class rivals or surpasses last year... if so, the future is very bright.

That being said, the 2016 class was ranked on the basis of six 3 star prospects. If you look through the 2 Deeps for this season, names like Milstein, Coogan, Everett, Smith, Wainwright, Delorenzi and Lunsford all show up and were not "ranked" players.

Look a little deeper and you find out Yale's top ranked class shows only one of their 4 top 100 incoming freshman played in 2016. In a year of Yale playing all their Fr their highest ranked players did not play.

These theories are very easy things to research and validate. Wanting something to be true does not make it so.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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spainy
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Date Posted: 22:27:56 12/28/16 Wed

Well, I'll bow to this point if the same is true in 2-3 seasons. In many cases, frosh need luck to get on the field, like no depth at position or older players getting hurt so first year stats can be misleading.

Related, the bigger players often have a harder path to field early on because of size, age and durability. No big uglies played consistently this season (mostly those who did were dedicated pass-rush situations) unless the guy ahead of them got hurt.

Which brings in another point, namely that the Ivy are stocked with 5/6yr HS students for more academic issues than athletic reasons. So is 3star 18yr old gonna play before a 20yr old Choate kid? Maybe not the first year, but likely the ranked one will have the better career simply because so many of these 5/6yr HS kids need the maturity to stick out because they lack the athleticism.

Finally, at least two of the players you listed were ranked (although one lost the rank when he got hurt). So, being strict on the numbers, more ranked players traveled than not as frosh and more will emerge as full time players. But many others who aren't ranked will have big impact, and they must, because there are so few ranked players. So not sure this is a worthy argument.

Don't want to argue this anymore mostly because I agree ranking is only and indicator of size and athletic ability and on a slow field anyone can keep up or be a star. But for less athletic teams (like all the Ivy's) it's nice to see ranked kids go for the education and it's a good hint that a team is improving. I see many FCS teams that kill it in their conference, and then implode in the playoffs SOLEY because they don't have the athletes to keep up - or, fewer ranked players. FBS is a totally different bird. Not ranked, 90% chance not big enough or fast enough to play!

But honestly, much more interested in your insight on other issues specific to CU. Not a big CU fan, but really think a turnaround is good for Ivy and FCS football overall so looking hard at them and hoping!!!

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[> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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The Mountain Lion
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Date Posted: 14:32:46 12/14/16 Wed

While incoming freshman, Ashton Wilson, lists his primary position as defensive end, his secondary position is outside linebacker and at 6'3" 235 with 4.6 speed you might expect him to make an impact as well. Keep in mind that the Lions have practically their entire two deep returning on the defensive line including a second team all-ivy player and three standout freshmen so the defensive line should not be a concern next year. Also, one or two of the more mobile defensive linemen might move to linebacker.

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[> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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Old Lion (RB)
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Date Posted: 11:52:42 12/17/16 Sat

Coaches just tweeted about a commitment from a "big time running back." Anybody have the name?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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Percy Houghton
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Date Posted: 12:33:24 12/17/16 Sat

Marquavious Moore

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


Author:
Old Lion (Another)
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Date Posted: 13:31:27 12/17/16 Sat

Coaches just tweeted about a shut down corner who has also now committed.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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John
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Date Posted: 13:47:02 12/17/16 Sat

Will Allen - American Heritage

Moore has FBS offer from Florida State too

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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ungvar
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Date Posted: 17:27:48 12/17/16 Sat

Will Allen was offered by Army, Dartmouth and Penn.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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florida lion
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Date Posted: 20:22:15 12/18/16 Sun

The latest two sound like strong additions. I hope there are more.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


Author:
Old Lion (retweet)
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Date Posted: 10:23:15 12/19/16 Mon

Moore retweeted Jon Poppe's tweet that we just got a commitment from a big time RB. I guess that's confirmation.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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ungvar
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Date Posted: 15:47:28 12/19/16 Mon

Possibly. But it's strange that Moore hasn't tweeted about his commitment. Most commits are eager to get the word out.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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Cu_88
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Date Posted: 19:29:42 12/19/16 Mon

The tweet just came out so add him to the list

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[> Subject: Re: Two new Columbia commits


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The Mountain Lion
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Date Posted: 09:15:31 12/19/16 Mon

More on Moore: 5'11" 202; 4.57/40; running back and defensive end; used also as the primary runner in the wildcat formation; District Player of the Year with 20 td's and 1800 yds; 150 yds per game; 4.7 gpa; looks to me on film to be a power runner with breakaway speed and excellent change of direction.

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[> [> Subject: Confirmation, please


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unvgar
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Date Posted: 09:31:54 12/19/16 Mon

I'd love to have Moore at CU but I'm not seeing confirmation yet that he's on board. Usually new recruits will post a confirmation tweet, which I'm not seeing from Moore. I know he's interested in Florida State but doesn't have an offer. Perhaps he's dangling a Columbia commitment in front of FSU to get them to move.

Or maybe, he has committed to us. I just don't know.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Confirmation, please


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Old Lion (Coach's tweet)
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Date Posted: 10:19:57 12/19/16 Mon

Moore certainly seems to match Coach Poppe's tweet as a commitment. Maybe Moore doesn't tweet.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Confirmation, please


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florida lion
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Date Posted: 11:18:07 12/19/16 Mon

On Dec 17, Moore retweeted Coach Poppe's tweet. So, hopefully.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Confirmation, please


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Old Lion (Moore has comfirmed)
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Date Posted: 20:23:19 12/19/16 Mon

Tweeted this evening that he has committed. Looks like a great prospect.

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[> Subject: The list at 21


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ungvar
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Date Posted: 09:38:59 12/19/16 Mon